Dr. Cory Campbell D.C. Campbell Chriopractic Castlerock, Colorado

[00:00:00] Thank you for joining in. I'm Mike. I'm Christana. We're the Pickleballers Next Door. Campbell Chiropractic, your path to wellness. Your path to wellness starts here. Our services include chiropractic care, laser therapy and custom orthotics. We also provide personalized nutrition

[00:00:21] plans, rehabilitation and sports physicals. Visit us at castlerockchiro.com or call 303-663-8365. Hey, how you doing, Chrisana? Good, good. Hey, so we are here at Campbell Chiropractic in Castle Rock

[00:00:47] and we are here with Dr. Cory Campbell. Hi, Dr. Cory. Hello, how are you guys doing today? We're doing good. We're here. We're going to talk pickleball and some maybe benefits of why people should come here and get some help. Sounds good to me. Let's do it. So a question for you. How long have you been playing pickleball? I've been playing pickleball since COVID. Okay, so 2020. Yep. So I started 20 years

[00:01:13] of racquetball. They wanted us to wear a mask inside a racquetball court. Oh my gosh, no way. Yeah, I said no. Yeah, no. So we're like, let's go outside and play pickleball and I just never went back. Yeah. It's a little better on your bones, isn't it? Wouldn't you say? It's, so the ball is smaller in racquetball, but the spring of the racquet, people don't realize how much reaction and how much

[00:01:37] vibration moves up the arm in racquetball and how much harder you're swinging that racquet. And I learned within, I think I went and played two or three times after, um, after starting to play pickleball. Yeah. And I realized how sore my arms and body got shoulder back, the twisting to all of it. I mean, when I'm a, I'm a, I'm a racquetball player. So, you know, was that twisting and fast move? I mean,

[00:02:04] really fast moves and my lower back shoulder, you know, you want tennis elbow, you can get it there really fast. Yes, you can, which is good for us. Yes. Yes. And we see more patients. There you go. I did get that in pickleball though. It does happen. Yeah. Because I was just holding it so tight and, but now I don't do that anymore. I don't feel the pain. Yeah. Cause her nickname. You probably don't hold it as tight. No. You've learned to loosen up. Relax a little bit. Yeah. Because I've only been playing about a year

[00:02:32] and not, I mean, not like you probably play what Dr. Corey every day. I play 10 to 16 hours a week. That's good. Nice. So good. So good for you too. Right. I mean, people, the cardio of this is what I love because I used to be a gym rat used to do all the treadmill and Oh my gosh, the bikes and all that stuff. Now that cardio, I mean, I'll put my watch on. I don't know how accurate it is, but I'll burn

[00:02:57] 2000 calories and with, with high intense games, 2000 calories in two hours. Like that's nuts. That is, that's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, no, but these are games that are going crazy. Now, if I'm playing Chris and I might burn a hundred calories. I want your watch because mine never tells me I'm working that hard. You know what? I think he has a setting on it to make you feel better. Yeah. And it, and that's what it is. It's elevated. Yeah. But like when I put it on with Chris and I get maybe a hundred calories. Yeah. Because you put it on. I want to make Chris

[00:03:23] Santa feel bad. No, it's not very nice. Right. Yeah. Oh, he's been not nice for the last couple of days. Well, because we did this yesterday, we had a podcast that just went out and we did terminology and you've seen all the new terms, right? All the, no, it's crazy. I ignore all of it. Oh, wait till you hear what he calls me now. Yeah. The helicopter. Don't know what it is. So you know what it means that you're so fast on the court and you're good. It means you're out of control. You get to everything. Yeah. No, just everywhere. It's

[00:03:53] like a crashing helicopter. So then of course I had to put my hair up like this and go like that. But you know what? At least I, even when she was playing last night, she looked like a helicopter. Her hair was spinning. We're all done. Yeah. Nice. I figure. She's a lot of fun. Oh, am I? Yeah. Sometimes. So, um, tell me, are you, what level are you at? Um, so my son and I were duper at, uh, I'm a three eight and he's four. Oh. And that's a story, right? Because that's a problem. Yeah. So let's talk about when did your son start?

[00:04:23] He started about two years ago now. Okay. So you have about three years on him. Would you say? Yes, I definitely am. And how old is he? 16. And they just started dominating. He's just fast. Just fast. That's the thing. They can just get around the court. He's fast. But then you kind of have a story about when you started, he, he, or you would play him and his friend, correct? Right. So when they started two years ago, 14 or so, I would play him and

[00:04:50] his friend and I would play left-handed. So I'm right-handed. I'd play left-handed, non-dominant hand. And I could beat both of them with me playing left-handed. And now, now I can't, I can't beat him right-handed. So yeah. Yeah. But when you guys are together, you guys. How do you play together? I mean, is that, is it a good play? You guys work well together. So here's the problem. Okay. When we play together, it's always good play because he

[00:05:16] does most of the play. Watch out, dad. Move. You know how you, you know how you watch mixed doubles? Yes. And the man takes over and takes like 80% of the court. Yeah. That's my son and I. You just kind of wonder where he's at. I'm the girl in the relationship. Yeah. Well, Mike does that. He actually, actually pushes me out of the way. See? Yeah. And I'm like, you know, I could have got that. Yep. Yeah. Maybe. But not as cool as I got it. Exactly.

[00:05:44] I looked good when I did it. Right. Yeah. And you just stand there. No. Well, I mean, it's crazy and how fast they're learning the younger generation. I mean, they, they, and they just get that speed and the, and the, in the, uh, the, the strength and right. I mean, it's crazy. Well, I told him that he doesn't have 20 years of racquetball, um, bad habit. Yes. To

[00:06:08] break. Yes. He just has his pickleball. So if he goes and switches games to something else, then he'll have that problem. But because he started in pickleball, all he knows is that pickleball, that pickleball swing and how to, you know, how to manipulate the ball. Isn't it funny though? And that from our, we're being racquetball players that people can notice that we play differently, right? You can notice a racquetball player. It's like a tennis player too. Right. But a racquetball player, people will be like, you played racquetball. How'd you know? Because our swings are so different.

[00:06:38] And we, the way we slice it's, it's so much different than a normal player. I have a wicked backhand slice. That's me. And so my son, when he started, he goes, dad, you're a one trick pony. It's all you got. It's all you got. So then I stopped doing it. Yeah. I stopped using it for a long time. Now I learned a bunch of other shots in the process and now I've gone back and picked

[00:07:01] that one back up. Nice. So I started probably just the last month. Um, I'll do, I'll do three or four different serves. So that way when I'm going to serve somebody, they have no idea what's coming. Surprise. Yeah. And I think that comes from racquetball though. You know what I mean? Because we used to remember the corner shots, you know, we had, you had, you depending on who you're playing, you do a first to first couple serves. Right. And you knew right away, like,

[00:07:29] oh, they're going to be weak at their backhand or I'm going to wrap this around them. You know what I mean? Yep. So I think we learned that and it was really good. And I think that whatever did in racquetball, our backhands became more, I have a, people have said my backhands are more powerful than my forehand. Yep. I get that all the time. Crazy, crazy. So that's funny. We need to play. Yep. We probably, I don't know. I don't know. It might not be good. It might not be good. Yeah. Yeah. We'd have to be like left handers, like switch or something. So I can play left handed. Really? Yeah. So you're dim, you're whatever you call it. So I tore a pack.

[00:07:59] Playing pickleball? No. Okay. I tore a pack wakeboarding 15 years ago. And I'm so competitive that instead of taking the six weeks off for it to kind of heal and recover. In fact, it's still, the part of it's still missing. Instead of me let it all fully heal, I taught myself to play racquetball left handed. That's crazy. And so then when people were new to racquetball,

[00:08:27] I would just play them left handed so they could, so it wouldn't seem so unbalanced. But a left handed racquetball player was really tough. I mean. If you had power. If you had power. I didn't have left handed power. I just had the left handed slices and swings and all that. Yeah. But then that allowed me to play my son and his friend left handed in pickleball.

[00:08:49] And when I started playing pickleball and I got, I leveled up too high for Castle Rock's pickleball groups and timing, I got myself ranked at 3-5 right handed, but then I got myself ranked at 3-0 left handed. So that way time wise, I could sign up for whichever group I could. But if I was in the 3-0 group, I had to play left handed. Wow. How fun is that though? I mean, that's kind of neat. It is. It is. Yeah, it was kind of cool.

[00:09:18] That's unusual. I mean, not everybody can do that. Right. Yeah. Now, how's your double back? Can you do, are you good at double back hands? No. I am not either. Nope. It is like, I look like a little dinosaur. I can do it. I can do a two handed backhand dinking at the net. Yeah. Dinking. I can do fine. When I, I don't know what, but any power in it? No. Yeah. It looks like I, I can kick it harder than I can hit it with my backhand. I just as well hit the backhand slice. I did it last night. You did? Yeah. I'm starting to use my. You have to. Yeah.

[00:09:48] If you're a girl, all the girls have double backhands. Oh. Oh. Yeah. And double forehands now. Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, you guys are, that's where they're getting their power. I know. The girls. Oh, some of these girls have these six and five fives and stuff. Oh my God. I know. They got both hands on the paddle all the time. All the time. Yeah. They're not even letting go. I would love to be someday, but I'm not. You're going. I'm like, I'm, I'm not, not even probably two, five, three. You have time. Well, we found out since she had a left-handed paddle and she's right-handed.

[00:10:14] That was really strange. Is that kind of like your headphones? Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's your blinker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But so in this journey, I mean, how long you been doing chiropractic? So in practice, 22 years. Wow. So yeah. Always Casseroat. Always Casseroat. I love it. I love it. And this where you, did you play racquetball here too? So I played racquetball here. Yep. Yep.

[00:10:40] It was so big and then it just died. Like COVID just kind of. It did. It did. Killed it. I was one who quit. Yeah. And it, it just started to, I felt, it felt like it, like kind of tennis and I don't mean nothing bad about tennis, but it started to be in where it was only executives and, you know, and I think they took out, that's where pickleball is so fun is anybody can play. Anybody can play. The rankings make it nice. They do. You can walk on a court and be like, all right, where's your ranking at? So we have an idea of what, where you're at. Like, ah, we probably should have you play with this person and this

[00:11:10] person who will be okay. But these rankings even, but when you go to that younger crowd, even if they're at that three, if you're three, eight or four Oh with that younger, they just have the moves. They have, they have react. They're very fast. Yep. So, and they're tough. Yep. I mean, things you think I got it, I got it. I'm putting this away and they're right there. You're like, Oh, you shoot it across the other way. He's right there. And then they do it to you and you're like, well, I can't get that one. Right. The trick is to find their feet. I don't want to hurt myself. Find their feet. Really it is. It really is. Make them pop it. Make them do something bad

[00:11:40] so you can take them out. Yep. And where do you play? I play, I play all over the place. So number one is peak pickleball in the Springs. Nice. Okay. Um, number two is, um, the Cass Rock rec groups. Winter was indoor at the rec center. Now it's outdoor. So Castle Rock has, I think five outdoor courts or outdoor nice venues.

[00:12:08] Now was the rec center on the old wood courts? Yes, it was. Yeah, it was, it was gymnasium floor. Now that's a whole other game too. It is. It really is. I actually have different paddles that I use playing inside versus outside. Oh, I do. Absolutely. Same thing. Yep. But it's a different game. Yep. It honestly is. And the people that play inside at rec centers, man, if you aren't playing there all the time, they'll eat you alive. Yep. Especially these 60, 70 year old people. You're like, oh, I got them. They're limping on the court. Next thing you're like, wow,

[00:12:36] I just got whipped. Yep. Yep. It happens. It does. Well, I mean, you're right up there too. Hey, don't you date? Yeah. We need to pull the IDs out. So she's always picking at me. You see, this? I can't believe it. Yeah, exactly. I'm almost 50. Almost 50. Almost. Almost. Almost. I'm almost 37. According to my, according to my fancy, my fancy athletic tracker thing.

[00:13:03] Yeah. I did one of those tests. It said I was 42. Mine says I'm 36. Well, mine says I'm 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it does. Of course it does. Of course. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, they have those good settings on there that you can make them write. Yeah. The one that you write it on a piece of paper and that's what you look at. There it is. There it is. I'm 20. Okay. So how does being a chiropractor help you with like pickleball or the other way around? With, between the two of them, between pickleball and chiropractic,

[00:13:33] I think what I love the most about pickleball is I'm, I can go out there and I can see where people are having an issue or a problem. So it actually helps me more on the, I don't know if it helps me much on my play because without watching myself play, I don't, I don't get as much. But when I watch somebody else play, I can see like for instance, stiffness in somebody's lower back and they're

[00:13:59] hunched forward and they cannot, they cannot stand up. They can't move. They can't be as active. So what we'll do is I'll be like, Hey, you know, chiropractic could help you because we need to release. Um, I'm going to drop a big term here. Not everybody knows, but we're going to release your psoas muscle. Everybody knows that as your hip flexor, but that psoas muscle will literally take your body from being straight and it will break you kind of at your hips and you'll start to lean

[00:14:26] forward and you can't stand up straight. And now that I've said it, you'll walk around and look at somebody and be like, well, I'm trying to sit there going in my sitting here. Well, there is a difference too though, between having good posture in the neck and shoulders versus the posture in the lower back, the lower back posture. Like I'll walk somebody walk under the court and they're just completely hunched at their hips versus head rolled forward, shoulders rolled forward. That's a whole

[00:14:54] nether. That's a no, another issue. Yeah. Um, but you watch them in their low back and you're like, they can't move. They're not going to be able to move when you go to play because their low back is so locked up that they can't, one can't stand up straight. So you can lob them anytime you want to because they can't jump. They can't lean up to even get a lob shot because they're so locked up. So I can take that and say, Hey, we can help you loosen that up. And I can teach them how to

[00:15:20] loosen it up along with adjustments and things like that. And then on the other side, when you see the person with the chronic anterior shoulder roll, their shoulders are forward, their head is forward. They have this crook in their neck like that. Then we teach them to, to actually stretch the neck and work on pulling the shoulders back. And the thing that people don't understand on that end is let's say you're going to swing the paddle. You're going to swing the paddle. If you have anterior

[00:15:48] your shoulder roll where your shoulders are locked forward, your range of motion cuts down about 50%. Wow. If you have your shoulder back where it's supposed to be with good, strong rhomboid muscles in the back of your, in between your shoulder blades, all of a sudden your arm can move through a much bigger range of motion. We found that with swimmers a lot that swimmers, if they had lack of mobility or limited motion in their shoulders, we start opening up their shoulders. And all of a sudden,

[00:16:16] now they're freestyle. They get a big old. And their play and their swimming is much better. So all of them. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So that's why you would want to come to you because you will have a better play if you get adjusted appropriately. In the end, it's all about mobility. Really is. Cause I mean, I can tell I've been in construction for 40 years. So my back, my lower back is just not my friend. Yep. And when I know it's out backhand, if you want to win and you notice that you want to

[00:16:43] have a great backhand as we were talking about, but when the back and everything's not working, there's no backhand. I can't my mobility to turn and to get that ball. I'm, I'm a turtle. You know? So my son who's better than me actually says, I play better when my back hurts. Really? Yeah. He says, because you, instead of you trying to drive and hit the ball as hard as you can, you actually slow down, do more drops, do more dinks. And we're finding as we're moving up in that

[00:17:13] three, five to four Oh to four or five range. It's funny. You get these people who want to drive the ball all the time. Oh yeah. And so when you get the drivers all the time, you're like, yep, they're going to be at that three to three, five range. They're not moving forward because they don't want to go up and hit the ball softer. Then you get into the four fives and these guys can drive the heck out of the ball, but they don't, they move up, they get controlled. They wait

[00:17:40] patiently to get the ball. And then they hit the ball nice and hard and put the ball away. But that, that, that change. And that's what he says. He goes, yeah, dad, you play better when your back hurts because you stopped hitting the ball. You're trying to hit the ball so hard. You're trying to drive it so much, right? You're, you're stopping the reaction. You're, you're actually slowing down. Yep. And that's the funny part is this game. And I know when we talk to pros, you know, the funny part is that they don't no longer play the ball or the shot. They play the person. Yeah. So the funny part, when you were talking about watching the person,

[00:18:09] that's the next level up, which is where you're heading to. Right. And you're watching that person because you are looking for their weakness, right? Always. So if they're not, if they can't bend or move or do something, guess where you're hitting it. Yep. If you're playing Chris Anna, you just go for Chris Anna. You just know that's just going to be, you're going to get a point. Yeah. Body bag me. I know. I get that a lot by Mike, you know, in person, not when we're playing. Not even playing. You're not even playing. Right now he likes to body bag me.

[00:18:36] Man. But no, but it makes sense. I mean, what you are important and vital to this because the problem of this is, is the way we start this game. This has been the biggest problem with pickleball is our warmup is running up to a net and hitting a ball over and saying, you ready? Ready? Let's go a hundred miles an hour. Now. My favorite part is you get into a group of two, five, three, Oh, three, five, and they go up to the net and they dink the ball.

[00:19:04] And then it's five, six, seven points in before you ever get to a dinking rally because they're driving the ball the whole time. Oh yeah. I think we noticed two years ago as the, the, the tennis player started coming in that they just took away that they took away the dink. Yeah. And I'm not trying to blame them. I know I'm going to get some heck for this because they're, they're some of the top players in the world now is the tennis players. Why? My thing though, when you see somebody who is, yes, you have some of the really great drivers

[00:19:32] and that, but what I learned as we move up is you stand at that net and reset them and that just aggravates them. Oh yeah. And then you just reset them, reset them, reset them. And then you just reset them just enough times. And all of a sudden they're like, then they get mad and then they hit the ball and then you move and out it goes. Well, and the kitchen line is still King. Yeah. Who's at the kitchen line. If you two, I mean, you were at a kitchen line. Yep. I was going to say

[00:19:57] us, but me and you, um, we would do really, really well. Um, with that's why they call it the wall, right? Right. We become the wall. And what are we trying? We're driving them back. We want them to stay back. Yep. That's the fun part when they, cause they want to stay back. They want to keep driving. Yep. And you're right. As soon as they get frustrated, they hit it really hard and you just turn and it's out. Yep. So, yep. But this is awesome. So do you, um, help a lot of pickleball people right now? All the time. I mean, from tennis elbow to plantar fasciitis and feet to low back issues,

[00:20:26] neck, shoulders. I mean, whatever it is that they end up with on the court in the chiropractic office, the, the idea that, that I practice off of is again, mobility, joint function. If a joint's not moving the way that it's supposed to, it gets inflamed, it gets irritated. That swelling creates pressure and pain. And there was a big argument back in the day when chiropractors and DOs and

[00:20:53] everybody was like, Oh, it's this. And Oh, it's that. Well, technically it's all of it. And my job in my office is to improve joint function. If that joint moves the way it's supposed to inflammation will go down, the damaged tissue around the area will heal. And it doesn't have to be that difficult to explain why chiropractic works. Yeah. Well, and if you don't do it and if it keeps that way, you're going to pull something, that's where the pool is going to come. Your tenants.

[00:21:21] I know I'm degeneration. Yeah, absolutely. The joint degenerates and it starts to alter and change. And our bodies are amazing machines when it comes to adaptability. Yeah. And that's what we see a lot is somebody will come into our office. They got in a car accident 15 years ago and they're like, ah, didn't do anything. I was fine. I was fine after the accident. And then we take an x-ray of their neck and I'm like, see that spot right there? That was your accident 15 years ago. Now, 15 years ago, it didn't look like that, but it does now because your body's been adapting and

[00:21:50] changing to an injury that you never got taken care of. You never worried about getting it. Because it adapted to it. It just learned how to work around. Yep. And what happens is that that segment stops moving like it's supposed to. And our discs in our spine don't have a good blood supply. So the only way they stay healthy is by moving. If it stops moving, then it starts to shrivel up. Then the bones get closer together and then you have the impinged nerve roots.

[00:22:19] And then you're like, oh, now I have all this pain. I'm going to go to the chiropractor. And they come in and say, oh, can you fix me one visit? Like, yeah, we can fix you in one visit because this has been going on for 15 years. Yeah. They have to have patience and they got to. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't happen overnight. I mean, because the muscles, it also has muscle memory. So it's pulling everything right after you stretch it, it's trying to pull it back. So as that disc shrinks, the muscles around it are all shortening. Yeah. So yeah,

[00:22:48] you're fighting all of it. All of it. You're, it's a battle. So that has to be tough for you. I mean, that has to be, but again, you've been doing this explained does and you have to be patient and do this. Now I have something, you said something because I didn't know this. We were in here talking a few minutes before we started was the plantar fasciitis. And I never, right. I always say that kind of funny. It's a hard one. It's a hard one to say, but I just told you, I said, oh, mine went away. And

[00:23:11] you just said it's dormant. Yeah. Not never goes away. Wow. It's always there. It's just not inflamed and flared up. And what plantar fasciitis truly is, is it's an avulsion fracture of the plantar ligament coming out of the calcaneus count coming out of the heel bone. And what, when it happens, that tissue

[00:23:36] has to heal and healing is laying down new bone matrix and new bone in that area to actually build that back up so it can heal. Problem is you sit down, you rest for 15, 20 minutes. All of a sudden you stand up and you're like, oh, it hurts again. It hurts so bad again. Well, you're walking on new baby bone. That's never been walked on before. Then you walk around for 10, 15 minutes. I can go, Hey, it's starting to feel better. I can walk on it now. It's okay. And then you start to play and

[00:24:03] you're active and you do the things you're like, okay, it seems to be better. Then you go sit down for 20 minutes and go stand on it again. He's like, oh, it hurts again. Cause new bone was already being laid down while you were in rest mode. We use a foot level or orthotics and those have a little heel cup in the back that takes that pressure off of that bone. That's healing when you're walking.

[00:24:26] So it continues to heal while you're on your feet. Wow. So, well, yeah, it's, it's one in pickleball. I think it's one of the top out there. I mean, you, you can tell too, when, you know, when you first get out and everybody, especially with older people, right? You're kind of just kind of stumbling. Then once we start playing, we're okay. Yep. But then we go home, we sit in the chair for a bit. Oh my gosh. Or waking up at night. That's gotta be the worst one. I know you jump

[00:24:52] out of bed and you're like, wait a second. I still have to make it to the bathroom. I can't walk. Something bad's going to, where's my diaper? Cause this isn't going to happen. You wear that out in the pickleball court too, right? Depends. Yeah. It depends. That's what it's called for you. So there is a way. So this, this heel, uh, this cushion that you have can help her. So what it's doing is basically not letting that bone. It's letting it heal without the bone. That makes so much sense. I've never heard this. We've talked to a lot of people about

[00:25:20] this. This is awesome. Cause I think that's something I'm telling you, I must have taught, I must talk to everybody and they've had it. You have it sometime or another, right? Sometime in your life you have it. Well, mine have come on cause I've dealt with plantar fasciitis for almost 20 years cause it would come on during playing racquetball. Yeah. And, um, I've found that the reason why people get it is from ankle injuries earlier in life. I've sprained my ankles. I don't know how many times

[00:25:47] between cross country wrestling and track. Those were my high school sports. And, um, I would spray my ankles on a regular basis. And over time it starts to affect the way that the arches in your feet are. And as those arches start to collapse, that's what starts to pull that plantar ligament out of the heel. And that's what starts the plantar fasciitis process. And for me, I've healed mine

[00:26:15] so much that I actually wear, um, the court strides, the zero shoes. Oh yeah. So I wear zero shoes when I play pickleball, but I wear them with custom orthotics inside those shoes. So I get some arch support while I'm playing. But when it comes down to it, I mean, people look at me like you're like wearing socks and that's what I wear. And I have plantar fasciitis. I also have dealt with bunion,

[00:26:42] bunionette type things with my feet. And they're like, how can you even play in these things? And it's because I've conditioned my feet now and I've made my feet stronger. We even have a little, um, ankle stabilizer footboard that we recommend to people to start using. I started using that and it's made a huge difference because what people don't understand is we don't have a ton of muscles in our feet. And those muscles are actually in your lower leg. They're in your calf.

[00:27:08] So what we're doing is we're trying to actually work the stabilizer muscles that come up into your calf. And then those muscles help stabilize the feet when you're playing pickleball, which makes sense. And the thing you think to do, the first thing you do is you run to King supers or a store and you buy the thickest rubber padded stuff. And they make it worse. At first you're like, Oh, this is great. And then it just gets worse. Like it actually does make it worse. It does.

[00:27:37] You want to know why? Yeah. All right. Here we go. Okay. So we have arches in our feet. Three of them, medial, lateral, transverse. Those arches are vaulted up in the middle. What then happens when you put on a really soft pad is now that pad starts to collapse on the heel and then the foot doesn't have any support. So then the arch starts to actually drop down into it

[00:28:04] and it starts to push down to the ground and it hyper flexes the foot. And as it hyper flexes the foot more and more and more and more, the more it collapses the medial and lateral arches of the feet. It's horrible. So, so don't do this. He's gone to King supers and got those. We love it when the people come in with Crocs because those are. Oh, man. Oh, shoot. Don't look at my shoes. Yeah. You know why I have these on? Crocs. They're pink. Terrible. That's probably the worst shoes for you.

[00:28:32] Just like your paddle. Yeah. Just like your paddle. Yeah. Yeah. No. At least you can wear those on either foot. Aren't they? Right and left. Right and left. Actually, what do you think about Ufas? So when we talk shoes, I'm always, my wife just got, which ones did she get? I think she got the Hocas. And I'm looking at those and those got a big old chunky pad on the bottom. But when I put my hand

[00:28:58] inside and started pushing in, it doesn't give like I expected it to. So really what you want to do, and I don't mess with many shoes or, you know, stick my hand and check the shoes out a lot of times. But what you're looking for is you're looking for that, that bottom of that shoe to have a relatively stable footboard. It doesn't have to have an arch. You just want a stable footboard. You don't want

[00:29:22] that footboard to flex the wrong way, which then allows that foot to collapse out. Which makes sense. So you want a good stable footboard underneath your shoe. Yeah. I like those. I like those. I started the Ufas. I started wearing those. They're like the sandals. They're like the sandals. But I started wearing those at home and that really did help. Like, yeah, I just, I wear, you know, cause I got hardwood floors and stuff. So I, it just helped a lot. Yep. So I started doing that

[00:29:47] and stretching cause I didn't realize the calf had a lot to do with that. Cause I was like, what do I need to stretch my calf? Makes sense. The calf has everything to do with the ankles. And once I started stretching the calves out and I kind of, but now I'm scared that I need to talk to you because it's going to creep back. He's scared. I'm scared. You are talking to him. I am. But I mean, no, I mean, he's like for real though. I know, right? Come in, make an appointment. Yeah. I just, it's so good. I'm so glad you talked about this cause we have, we get asked about

[00:30:15] this a lot. And this is the first time I think anybody's ever really explained it this way. Right. Is that the number one injury that you see when you have people from pickleball? Feet are, feet are really high, but the other one, the other one is shoulder elbow elbow. I'm going to say tennis. So I was going to say tennis elbow. And again, that doesn't always have to be from, you know, holding the right. I mean, it's your swing. There's so much that goes into that. Yep. You know, so I made my elbow really mad when I was changing my

[00:30:45] serves. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Cause you go and you practice to serve a hundred times and you do another one a hundred times, you do another one a hundred times. And all of a sudden your elbow's like, Ooh, that doesn't feel very good. Well, and people don't realize you can hyper, you hyper extend a lot of your joints and you don't even know you're doing it. And then you're wondering, why is that hurt? Shoulders? A lot of times people don't realize that. Um, I used to own gyms and stuff. You have to hyper extend your shoulder though. If your back is in the right postural position. That makes sense. So you got your shoulders back, head up. You don't do that. And all of a sudden

[00:31:12] your shoulders can't move the range of motion they're supposed to move. Yeah. And now you're injuring them. Yeah. And, or you're getting that, what's that famous spot in the middle of your, you know, that pulls from your shoulder? The hunch. Hunch. Yeah. The hunch. Yeah. I think you got that. Oh, it's cause playing with you. I know. The helicopter. I got to try to hunch over to get the ball. Well, you have a new modality here, right? You've got laser here. I know. Well, talk a little about that. And then last four laser. Yeah. And we're using it in the

[00:31:41] office for people right now, mostly people who have chronic issues, chronic pain type issues to break up that muscle memory, that body memory of this hurts, this hurts, this hurts. And it keeps sending the signal to the brain that it hurts. And what we talked about earlier is most joints that have a, have pain points or where the pain is, it's due to inflammation. The laser helps reduce that

[00:32:09] inflammation in those areas and those tissues to give them a better, a better relief of pain while we're working on them. That's awesome though. That's really awesome because that's the worst thing in the world. I mean, you will test, I mean, like right now living with pain. That is, I know where you go. I mean, I don't live with them. I feel sorry for Palma. You have another one though. Yeah. Yeah. I do actually. I live with pain. Dave. You have another one. Love you, Dave. Yeah. But going to bed and it's waking you up. I mean,

[00:32:39] it's terrible. I mean, so the laser, I got a little bit of it, you know, Dave, he did a little bit and it was amazing. So, so one thing that I have an issue or I deal with the patients with on a regular basis, especially a new patient that walks in our door, new patient walks in the door and I always go through what makes it better, what makes it worse. And we go through all the things and most of them tell me, well, heat makes it feel better. Well, heat makes it feel better

[00:33:07] while the heat is on. Yeah. 30 to 45 minutes after the heat is off, all of a sudden you're like, oh, it just aches so bad. And because that heat brings in more inflammation. Now heat actually helps speed the healing process, but it doesn't help on the pain side because the pain side is going to be worse 30 to 45 minutes after. So I always tell my patients, if you're going to heat something,

[00:33:33] heat it up when you're going to be moving. Oh, makes sense. So heat it up in the morning before you go start moving all day long, but don't jump in the hot tub and heat it up just before you go to bed at night. Because what will happen, what will happen is you go hit in the hot tub and then you go to bed and then you wake up in the morning and you're like, I can't move. I'm so stiff and sore

[00:33:58] because that heat from the hot tub brought in all that inflammation into the body. And then it just settled in when you stopped moving. Well, I think you had a, you have a camera at my house. I was doing this and then I had to get up and go back in the hot tub in the morning. Right. Which was better. The hot tub in the morning is what you need to do because of that. You never have time in the morning. So you always think at night, oh, this is good. I get up for pickleball at four o'clock on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. You are hardcore. I play at five,

[00:34:27] six o'clock. Well, I get at four. I get up at four because we, we start at five and we got to drive. It's 30 minutes for us from, from where I'm at down to peak. Yeah. Um, in spring. So we get up at four, we play from five to seven. And so most people who say, I don't have time to do that in the morning. Everybody has time. You just got to get up a little early. But how great do you feel after you're done pickleballing? Doesn't it make your day? You know, it's hilarious.

[00:34:52] When you talk somebody into coming to the five o'clock session and they come in and they're like, how do you get up this early? And then 10 minutes into the game, I'm like, what time is it? And they're like, yeah, it could be noon right now because yeah, you got the blood flowing. You're going. Yeah. You're ready to go. Yeah. It's much better in the morning. It is wake up time. But it is. And I think you just feel the best. I really love my early morning games. I do Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and I love it. You know, those are our days. And

[00:35:23] now don't get me wrong by my lunchtime, which is one to three in my office, which right now we're doing right. We are eating your pickleball. I'm ready for a nap. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I'm ready for a nap at one on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Yeah. Today's Thursday. So we're good. Today's my rest day. Okay. Yeah. So we're, we're here at a good time. You can think about all this. And so Monday pickleball early Tuesday, lift weights with the trainer over the lunch. Love it.

[00:35:53] Wednesday pickleball early Thursday. I hit stretch lab, so I don't have to work out. It's my rest day. And then Friday gets a little crazy. Friday, we start pickleball at five. And then this session in Cassarock, we go from eight to 10. So we'll play from five to seven in the Springs. Then we'll drive to Cassarock and play from eight to 10 in the morning. How fun. And then the family on Friday

[00:36:18] nights go and play pickleball from seven to nine at night down at peak. Oh my gosh. So we got, so Fridays are a six hour day. Woo. A pickleball. It's a good thing. I don't work. Yeah. I love it. Not on Fridays. Right. Right. But it still feels great. Yeah. The night, but the good part and what our listeners need to understand, if you maintain the body, take care of it, you can play six hours. Correct. You don't maintain the body. You're going to get a couple of six hours in and then you're going to be out for weeks. You just brought up

[00:36:47] the, you just brought up the other part of my practice that we haven't ever talked about. And what is that? Nutrition. Oh, there we go. That's huge. That's about it because that is a big, it's huge. That's a big thing. So one thing that people need to understand is one of the biggest things out there, and I hope I don't step on any sponsor's feet, but collagen that people are taking right now to help improve their

[00:37:12] body, joints, tissues, all that requires stomach acid and it requires pepsin in our digestive tract to break collagen down. If we take collagen into our digestive system, through our mouth, through our stomach, all that, the body doesn't absorb it as collagen. It breaks it down to the amino acid

[00:37:37] with a little part or piece, which means that taking collagen will still become an amino acid before it ever enters into our body. What we really need is vitamin C and magnesium and zinc to take those amino acids that we have in our body and convert it back into collagen. Now it works.

[00:38:03] Now, now you take the amino acid and it's like saying, I'm going to take collagen and it's going to just go right into my knee. I have a new, I have a new meniscus. Um, it doesn't work that way. The body has to absorb it first before it could then convert in. Now, a lot of people out there doing peptides and things like that. Peptide taken orally, same idea, but peptide injected in. Now it went in whole.

[00:38:31] Does it stay in the tissue where it's supposed to? Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to, it's hard to know. Yeah. Um, but when it comes down to the actual body's ability to heal itself, we need the little nutrients in there for the body to take all those little parts and pieces, then put it back together. And the other thing that, uh, vitamin C was one of the things that we talked about there. Um, most people, when they say, Oh, I take vitamin C, I said, you take ascorbic acid.

[00:38:59] The ascorbic acid is the governmental version of vitamin C that you have to have in a, in, in a food source and a vitamin and mineral supplement, whatever it is for you to be able to put it on the label. The problem is vitamin or ascorbic acid is only the anti-inflammatory portion of the vitamin C complex. That doesn't rebuild your tissues. You need the whole food vitamin

[00:39:25] C and what the body says when it gets ascorbic acid is it says, Oh, I kind of know what this is. And then it has to assimilate that vitamin C into whole food vitamin C, the vitamin C complex. Then it can use it. And what happens if you take too much ascorbic acid, you get a loose bowel because the body says, I can't process all that. So it just dumps it. Yeah. I've never had somebody have that happen when I gave them whole food vitamin C because their bodies are deficient. They don't

[00:39:54] have that real food in their body to rebuild the tissue. And that's what makes all the difference in the body rebuilding its tissue inside. Yeah. It takes, it's a science, you know what I mean? And you got to figure out what works for you, right? Everybody's a little different, but you know, that's why the collagen, if you go look at the vitamin supplements, it'll say it starts working in about seven days. Why? Because what you just said, the body's getting enough, a little bit to break some of it down and you're getting a very little. So you might as well just take that stuff and throw it

[00:40:21] around, you know, throw it away because you're just eat your chicken, eat your beef, eat your amino acids and then make sure you have all those vitamins inside to actually convert that. Convert it. So smart. Yeah. This is the man. So how do people find you and get in touch with you? At peak pickleball, five to seven. Five to seven. Yeah. You can play pickleball with you. That's right. Let's play some pickleball. Actually, the fun part is Castle Rock has,

[00:40:46] we have banners up at all the, all the five Castle Rock locations. So my son and I, we went and got professional pictures done. So we got pictures of us on there. We got pictures of us playing on there. And so that's our, that's our camp, the Campbell chiropractic banners in Castle Rock, which is fun. Love it. My son was so mad at me when I told him that we're going to get, we're going to be on banners at all the pickleball courts because he goes there. That's great. He goes there and plays with all his friends. He goes there and plays with his friends. He's like,

[00:41:13] I don't want to picture me when I'm playing with my friends. So then we go and do the pictures and he actually has fun doing the pictures. Well, now he's famous, right? The girls. Yeah. Right. Come on. I don't know. Yeah. Come on. He's homeschooled. So I don't know. He doesn't really know anything about girls yet. All right. Oh, he will. Yeah. Oh, and someday that right. He feels a little famous, right? His friends are like, is that you? Right. Yeah. That's awesome. He's so mad. He's going to be up there. And then after dad hooks him up, that's what dad did. I was like, yeah, cool. Yeah. That's cool. That's me. I'm up there. I'm on banners. That's awesome.

[00:41:42] But Castle Rock Chiropractic is our website. Okay. And on our website, we have like some of the things we talked about earlier with the low back and those on our little YouTube channel in there, you can go in and look at some of those exercises and how to do them. So you can do those things at home. I have the ankle stabilizer piece that's in there that you can go on there and look at that and be able to do some of that stuff at home. And then right from there, you can actually contact our office, set up an appointment, be able to come in. And you do a consultation.

[00:42:13] Like, is it a consultations are always free. So if somebody wants to come in and just talk about something, I would say that 95 plus percent of people who come into a consult end up getting adjusted, getting adjusted at least that first day. Well, let me, let me say something out there loud about this too, is that the reason we're here is he's a pickleballer and he understands the pickleball game. He understands the movement. Oh, so sorry. That's me. Sorry. That was Mike. Yeah, that was so you guys all know. But the, the big, what I love about this and the

[00:42:41] reason we're here is for our fans and people in our audience is that you play pickleball. Right. Really understand what's happening. Absolutely. So this isn't just going to a car and I'm not saying bad about other chiropractors, but when you play our game and you're in our sport, you kind of understand it. Right. I think you do. And just talk, I mean, just the way we talked about the feet is incredible. The supplements and nutrition, this man knows his stuff. So we get people from all. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's not just pickleball.

[00:43:08] They come up for this. But I mean, I'm just saying we get people from all walks. So I'll have somebody come into my office and they're like, Oh, I have a chiropractor. Cool. And adjusted. At least you're getting adjusted. But you came to me cause we want to do nutrition work. Okay. Let's do nutrition work. Or you came in because you wanted to just buy a pair of orthotics. Okay, fine. Yeah. We don't care what you, what you need when you come in here, we'll work with you with whatever it is. Yeah. You don't have to, you don't have to take everything that we offer.

[00:43:34] Yeah. But, but again, for we're pickleball, that's what we are. Pickball is next door. And this is why we're here is because you understand the game. Absolutely. And you're leveling up just like the rest of us. You love it. You're on the addiction. It says right on my banner. Right. We want to level up. Want to level up. Okay. Let's come see Campbell chiropractics. That's awesome. I don't know. Well, you were, you were a, uh, this was awesome. I mean, I got educated today. This was awesome. I appreciate you guys. Let me be on a microphone. That's we love it. Well, I did, you know, you don't know what she thinks, but I, I thought it was

[00:44:04] awesome. It was my idea. What? No, but this, I'd love, um, love to do a little bit more. We're talking about doing a series. So we'd love to talk to you a little bit more about that. So we're not just a one time, you know, we're let me know. Yeah. We'd love to talk to you. Let me know. Maybe on the court. Yeah. On the court. That's another way to do some dinking. Talk about some of the moves, you know, we haven't done that yet. And that would be a fun one for me and you to do and maybe bring Chris Anna. I mean, what do people have the hardest time doing on the court? On the court? Talking to Mike. Bending their knees.

[00:44:33] Bending their knees. Absolutely. Getting down. Bending their knees. They can't bend. Actually, I don't bend my knees. Yeah. They can't squat. Especially, well, and ladies do a different type of squat. What? There's a bend over squat, right? I've always said this. I'm a coach. I'm a pickleball coach. You're like, that's a hip squat. That's a hip squat. And they bend at their hip. Not a knee squat. You know, the guys will bend at their legs. Because you're not strong enough. Like if I wanted to do a squat now, I'd probably fall because I don't have the strength anymore. So, what really is it when you bend at the

[00:45:00] hips? Bending. It's a deadlift. Deadlift. Oh, you too. Yeah. Versus a squat, more straight back and bending at the knees. And that's why we're noticing a lot of these ladies with the big hineys now because they're doing the dead, they're doing that, they're working, they're doing the bend over. What are you saying? But the deadlift, the deadlift is. That's the one that ends up getting people's so as muscle. Yeah. That hip flexor. Yep. Yeah. And all of a sudden they look like they're always stuck in a deadlift position because they can't stand up. Well, that's how I'll be coaching a bunch of ladies and I'm like,

[00:45:30] come on, ladies, get down. They're like, we are, we bend anymore over. I'm going to be touching the court. Not your back. Bend at the knees. Yeah. You know, get down. Put your butt on the court. You'll be a better player actually if you do that because you get the lower. Right. And the tall guys too. Like we'll get the tall, like I had a guy yesterday, you know, over six foot and he, and I'm like, you got to get down and got to bend those knees. And I know it's tough. You haven't, you haven't been in my air where I'm at, but you got to get

[00:45:55] down below five, six for how long? Exactly. But no, this was, this was a, this was a gym. Um, I loved it. Um, we're definitely going to talk to you about a series. Love it. I think the next one we do is go to the pickleball court. Absolutely. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Who knows if I can, if I can get enough planted for my wife this weekend, we'll have to go check out the, what's this weekend? We're doing the, it's a, we're going to be out in Fort Collins at the zero zero two, zero zero two. And it's a new club. They just opened

[00:46:22] four months ago. Nice club. 20, 20, 19 or 20 courts. They have some outside, some in, um, PPAs here this weekend. So we're going to hold some really good players. I think it's like 326 players. It was full. Um, and it's a zero zero two dot pro. Okay. So if you look it up, check it out. Yeah. Good. And good to owner. His name's Mike, which is, that means it's really cool. He's one of the owners. Yeah. Mike's are awesome. So, uh, I don't know

[00:46:49] at least on a podcast that can't see me shake my head. Yeah, exactly. So, well, thank you so much for being on our podcast. Thank you guys very much. I appreciate it. You'll hear you're here soon. We'll get you on and talk at the court. Sounds good. Perfect. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Denver feel that energy. Professional pickleball is here. Your hometown heroes, the Denver Iconics are serving up nonstop thrilling action. We're more than a team.

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