172. DUPR Reset Results & OWL Talon X1, Aireo Cyclone X 11six24 Ultre Thoughts

[00:00:03] All right, what's up guys? Welcome back to another podcast episode. This week we're going to be talking about DUPR Reset, my recent MRI and the news regarding that for my back. Some interesting thoughts about durable grits and how to clean them. I'm just a little bit confused about some discussion I've been seeing a lot on Reddit. And then we're going to talk about a handful of paddles. We're going to talk about the new Selkirk Omni, the OWL Talon, the Aireo Cyclone Hybrid, and then the upcoming 11six24 Ultra.

[00:00:29] And then we have a fun little paddle guessing game we're going to play in the kitchen. So stay tuned for that because I think that one's going to be kind of funny. Oh yeah. Okay, so as last week, the news lately, at least in regards to paddles or stuff like that has been not much lately. And maybe some of that's because I just can't play as much. So it's, you know, a little bit less to come up with for news. But I just had two pieces of news this week. DUPR Reset and the MRI.

[00:00:57] All right. So we're going to talk about DUPR Reset because so DUPR Reset got extended. It was supposed to be, I think a week ago. No. Yeah. Like over a week ago that the results were supposed to be in, but then they extended it. Anyways, results are in. What do you, what do you think my DUPR was? Well, here's the thing. If it was over 5-0, you would have texted me. Would I? You would have told me. Would I have saved it for the pod maybe? No. Okay. No, you would have been excited. You would have been like, suck it. Okay. Okay.

[00:01:26] I'm going to say you're close. I'm going to say 4-8-5. The exact same. It didn't move at all? I mean, wait, so did it stay, was the new one lower and it stayed as the original or?

[00:01:40] See, this is where it's a little bit confusing because I, so my DUPR, I think, I want to say when I started, I should go back and listen to the podcast episode where we talked about this, but I want to say I was a 4-7-1 or a 4-7. And then by the end of DUPR Reset, I was a 4-6-9, I believe, after, what did I play, 38 matches or something like that.

[00:02:06] And then when I opened it, it's funny. It actually had it wrong. It says I moved to a 4-7-1, but then on my profile it says I'm a 4-7, so I don't really know what that's all about. But anyways, yeah, it didn't show me if there was a number that was much lower, so I don't know if 4-7 was my new number or the...

[00:02:27] See, I would have imagined, like, there'd be, like, a countdown in the app of, like, when the reset's gonna happen, and then once it does, you open the app and, like, a graphic pops up and it shows, boom, here's your current number, here's the new one, and then it's like, you keep this... I don't know, but there was nothing? It's just like, oh, you open it and maybe it changed and maybe it didn't? No, so I'll show you exactly what they did. So, first... Well, okay, I guess now that I'm opening it, there's an ad that says it's live, so if I click view results, well, it takes me to the website.

[00:02:57] But if you go down, let's see here... Oh, actually, okay, hang on. So, this is... Yeah, this is what's funny. I... Can I go see what the heck I was before Dupa Reset? Give me one second. You should be able to see the history. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do right now. Yeah. As I'm scrolling... Like, before you started all the matches? Gotcha. Gotcha. You're gonna have to go way back then. Yeah, I played a lot of pickleball during that time. Yeah, seriously.

[00:03:27] Okay, so... No wonder your back hurts. Yeah. Okay, so it was this one. So, I was a 4707 before Dupa Reset, and then when I go into the app, there is a thing now that shows me. It says Dupa Reset and then the adjustment. It says I was a 468. Oh, okay. And now I'm a 4706. But, what's interesting is 468 is what I had kind of dropped to just naturally from playing. And then it bumped me back up to a 470.

[00:03:56] So, I'm like, if this number had been lower, like, would it say 468 here and then a lower number? And then just go back to what I was? I guess I'd have to ask people who were lower if they went down what it showed. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, it literally is like the same exact Dupa that I got. So, you got cash grabbed. I got cash grabbed. But, I saw on Reddit, I was looking, there were some people who made some big bumps. Really? Like, some people, I think one guy who made a thread was a 4.8 and then went to a 5.2.

[00:04:26] Now, I imagine there are some people in there, right, who hadn't played a lot of tournaments. And then, you know, probably during this reset period, they are just a much better player and then got bumped up. I'd be curious to know. I wonder if reliability has any effect on it. But, I imagine throughout playing all those matches, your reliability slowly starts to go back up. Yeah, they were, again, there were things like that that were just unclear during the reset period how all that was going to work. And, I feel like Dupa could have definitely done a better job.

[00:04:54] And, even, I feel like during the thing, certain, it would have been fun if you could see what your Dupa was becoming during. And, instead of just waiting to the end, I guess I get maybe why they did it to the end. It builds, like, more suspense and you're looking forward to it or whatever. But, yeah. So, I mean, mine didn't move. But, to be honest, that's kind of what I expected was going to happen with mine based on how the results went.

[00:05:16] Because, I feel like in the first half, I performed pretty well against opponents that I was like, oh, I think if it ended right here, I might be higher than 4-7. And, then the second half, even though I got silver and gold, in pool play, there were just some teams we heavily underperformed against or lost against, even if the match was close, that their Dupers were not good. And, then I'm sure Dupers was like, what the heck? You're losing to, like, a 4-1? Yeah.

[00:05:44] And, I'm like, okay, well, this person didn't really feel like a 4-1. But, you know, whatever, either way it happened. I'm not complaining about that. So, I just had kind of been like, there's no way I'm going to end up a 4-8 or a 4-9 with how the results went at the end. Yeah. Like, I think we needed to beat some teams a lot better than we did. Sure. So, I guess I'm just a hard stuck 4-7. I guess that's just where I am right now. So, maybe when we fix my back, maybe I can resume actually trying to get good at pickleball. But, yeah. That's tough.

[00:06:14] So, then I was hoping that would be. I thought I was going to get a much more exciting. I was going to say, there's like, yeah, just stay the same. There's nothing exciting about it. There's not anything exciting. So, I saw some people who made some big gains. You know, stuff like 4-1 to maybe a 4-7. I wonder if there's anyone that was like a 4-3. And, then they got the new one and it said that they would have, like, the new one was like a 3-8. I dropped way down. I just dropped way down. Yeah, I know. So, yeah. Kind of uneventful there. Would have been exciting to have it.

[00:06:40] Like, honestly, at this point, I would have rather see a huge drop because it would have been hilarious. Or a really big gain because that also would have been hilarious. Something interesting to talk about. But, part of me also goes, okay, let's say I did play well throughout the whole thing. And, I jumped to like, I don't know, a 4-9 or even a 5-0. Even though if, you know, everything they're saying about Duper Reset is like, you know, it is accurate. It's not just like artificially inflating people. Let's say all of, pretend all of that's accurate for a minute.

[00:07:08] I feel like if I suddenly just jumped to a 5-0 like that, even though I feel like my skill level isn't that far from it. It would have felt so much less earned than another way. So, in some ways, I'm like, oh, maybe I'm like more glad because it would have been like, okay. So, I've been a 4-7 for like a year and now suddenly my number says 5-0. Like, that just would have been weird. But, yeah. Yeah. If you guys did Duper Reset and you got an interesting result, let us know down below. If it did show you that you dropped lower, let us know.

[00:07:37] And if it was higher, also let us know. And, you know what? Maybe that 4-6-8 that it's showing me, maybe that is just the lower number, right? You know, like what I'm curious is, was the potential lower number just going to be what your real Duper rating was? And if you, let's say you lost every match and it dropped like a 4-3. Is that what they were considering the new number the whole time and not like erasing all history technically? You know what I mean? Right. Right. That'd be interesting. It's hard to know.

[00:08:06] Again, there's just so few answers that it's like, I don't know. So, everyone has to guess. We're all just guessing. Yeah. We're all completely guessing. Yeah. So, yeah, that was Duper Reset. Okay. Let's talk about my MRI. So, this was also kind of uneventful. Uneventful and frustrating. We both got MRIs. We did both get MRIs. So, you finally went and got one for your shoulder. You're actually still waiting for your result. Actually, maybe while I talk through this, you should check your email and see if you got your report. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take a look. Because maybe you will have gotten it.

[00:08:31] But anyway, so, as you guys know, I mentioned two weeks ago that I was getting an MRI done for my back because it's just been having a lot of problems. And so, I've had back issues on and off for like three years. And at this point, I was like, dude, it's got to be a disc issue. Like, I don't know what else it could be and be going for three years. So, when I got the MRI and then looking at it, there are some interesting things. Like, I ran it through AI and then waited for the official report.

[00:08:58] AI basically said what the official report was, which is like I had a Schmorl's node, which I don't know. I've heard mixed things about how bad or not bad that is. My L5S1 disc looks pretty degenerated. Like, it looks like it's lost a lot of fluid. And then so is my, is it like T12L1 or T1 or something like that? Anyways, that one also looked pretty degenerated.

[00:09:25] But I got my report and then I went to my PT. They read the report as well. And they were like, look, the disc, if it is causing you an issue, is maybe 10 or 15% of the actual problem. Like, the disc in this case really is not a giant concern. You don't need surgery. You don't need to worry about modifying lifestyle because of the disc. So, I was like, okay, well, that's good, I guess.

[00:09:50] But then the downside of all of this means is there's just not a clear answer as to what the problem is. Like, I'm sure glute, core, all of those things need to get stronger, which are all things I'm currently working on. Doing my exercises every day. Literally logging them in like a journal to make sure I'm following it. So, it's frustrating in that it's like, okay, well, I guess I'm going to do all the things I've already been doing. The progress just isn't as fast as I want. So, day to day right now, don't have a lot of pain.

[00:10:18] I feel good unless I kind of overdo it. But I also haven't played like legitimate real doubles games in 20 days, which is like the longest time I've ever gone without playing real competitive doubles. So, I'm like kind of losing my mind. Yeah. Obviously, I can play. I'm hitting with you. But I'm just trying to avoid games because I think that could be bad. Like, all of this. It's easier to like not instinctually react to something and hurt yourself in drilling because you're like whatever. It's just really let the ball go. Yep.

[00:10:45] Versus in a game, you like feel more obligated to try and get to it. Yeah, to actually like play the game. Like if you hit a net court and I feel like, okay, maybe I could reach that if I pushed it. I'm like, I don't care. We're like lightly hitting. Exactly. If I was playing with friends, I would feel obligated to go get that because I'm like, I don't want to ruin the session for all of you guys. Yep. So, yeah, it's like I don't have a lot of pain, but I'm also avoiding a lot of things. Like I'm not bending over to tie my shoes. I'm avoiding sitting for too long. I'm not playing doubles and bending a lot.

[00:11:14] So, it's like I might be okay-ish now, but I'm also afraid to flare it back up and bring the issues back. I would rather just keep building my strength while I feel good and then eventually go push it. So, yeah, kind of uneventful as well. It's like I'm glad I don't need surgery. I'm glad it's not a big disc issue, but it's also like, dang it, I wish I had some more real answers about what the heck I'm going to do.

[00:11:37] Like the answers are basically one of my spinal erectors is just very overreactive and like it's overreacting to what it thinks is a threat when there isn't actually a threat. So, it's like, well, okay, how the heck do I make it calm down? Like that'd be great. So, I'm going through my MRI report. So, you did get it. I did get it. I've been going through it. It's a good thing I told you to check it.

[00:11:57] Um, I'm very curious because this says that there wasn't a clear labrum tear identified, but also what I was researching online is so there was, I guess I didn't get any MRIs with contrast, which specifically the labrum is extremely difficult to tell if there are tears if you do not have an MRI with contrast.

[00:12:25] So, very curious about that because I also had somebody tell me that they believe that there's a small tear in my labrum based on looking at it. So, that's interesting. But on the report, it says that there's small bare area humeral insurgional cysts that are present. There's a lot of these things that fly right over my head. I don't know what it is. Yeah. So, got to go get to someone who knows what they're reading. Yeah. There's, uh, like some missing tissue.

[00:12:53] Uh, uh, again, some of the stuff I don't even know what it means. Uh, some joint infusion. I don't know what that means. Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to have to like send this to AI and have it dumb it down for me so I can figure out what this means or send it to my buddy. Yeah. Your buddy. Um, yeah, he'll tell me, but well. Well, so yours is uneventful too. Same thing. Uneventful. I'd rather it be a tear and then be like, get the surgery and you're good.

[00:13:22] Well, but the nice thing is if it's not that, hopefully, like I would definitely rather mine be uneventful. It's just more frustrating that I guess there's less of a clear answer. But like I feel like yours, uh, like the labrum surgery sound much more like you're out for so long. So, it's nice at least that you can potentially not be out. Labrum surgeries are pretty invasive. And it, uh, yeah, it's a long recovery. Yeah. So, it's still going to be a long recovery because it hurts really bad. So, what do I do? Oh, that's annoying. I don't know.

[00:13:51] I'll have to look over this more in depth later when I have some time. Yeah, yeah. Reading it live on the podcast is not the best way to, uh, read an MRI report. Yeah, definitely not. Especially someone like me who doesn't understand any medical terms. I mean, I was reading mine as well and I was like, wow. There's a whole lot of, I don't know what this means. And also, there's a lot of words. Like, for example, so, my discs that are dehydrated or degenerated, it's called degenerative disc disease. And so, like, I see that and I'm like, whoa. I'm like, disease? I'm like, what's wrong with me?

[00:14:21] How did I mess myself up so bad at 29? And then I read online a bunch, watch a bunch of videos and everything is like, okay, look. Now, I understand that the word degenerative disc disease probably sounds very bad. This is a horrible name for this and it's not that bad. And I was like, then why are we calling it this? Or like this right here on mine. It says type 2 acromion and it says chronic. I'm like, okay, but what does this mean? What is type 2 acromion? Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, next week you'll have to give us more answers after you give it to your buddy. Yeah.

[00:14:50] We'll read your MRI report. But, yeah. I mean, I guess it just means we have pain and we got other things we got to do to figure it out. So, fun. That sucks. It's not fun. All right. Well, now we'll move on to the stuff that you actually came to the podcast for. Yep. So, one of the things I wanted to talk about, because I've seen this a lot on Reddit of just like, hey, how do you clean the new durable grit surfaces? Like, can I use an eraser? Like, I feel like I can't use an eraser.

[00:15:19] And then just all these different ways of cleaning suddenly, I feel like, became more popular. Right? So, when the P1, like around January P1 and Ultra, I was like, okay, I could either use the reset spray or I could use a rubber eraser. I'm like, it's probably fine either way. Then I just landed on using reset spray because I was like, okay, this probably is less invasive overall because we didn't know how all these grits held up. I was like, I don't want another variable in there to mess this up.

[00:15:48] So, I was like, I'll use like soap and a cloth basically. And then on the boomstick, I was using mild soap detergent and a cloth like Selkirk recommends. But now that we know that some of these are more durable and I saw all of this coming out, I was like, okay, first of all, why are we worried about using an eraser on these longer lasting grits if they withstand a plastic ball at high speeds crushing debris into the surface? Like, if we think it holds up against that just fine, then why are we worried about the eraser,

[00:16:17] which is rubber with non-high impact? The only thing it would have is like some abrasion. I think it could leave like, some of them could be so rough that it could take rubber residue off and get stuck in the paddle. And it's like kind of clog up the peaks and valleys of the paddle. That's a good thought. So, that would be like, if it's so rough that it's actually taking rubber off and then it leaves like skid marks or stuff on the paddle, that would be my biggest concern.

[00:16:47] I haven't really playtested any of them that long and used an eraser on it. So, I can't confirm that that would happen. But logically thinking, that's the first thing that would come to my mind. Okay. So, if we're thinking more that way where it's less of destroying the surface and it's more like, okay, well, you could just be clogging it up. It would be damaging it in a way. Maybe not damaging, but it'd be like putting debris back in it. Like ball debris. Yeah. But I would imagine that that type of residue would be much more difficult to clean off

[00:17:15] if you put it on there than like cleaning ball dust off. Like you said, mild detergent, some water, and a cloth. Probably going to be a bit more difficult to get that residue off. Because that happened with, we know somebody. It was our sister-in-law. When she got an Engage Pursuit Ultra, I think it was. Somebody used an eraser on it and just rubber residue across the whole face of the paddle. And it was like ruined. Oh, I don't remember that. I just remember that it took the grit right off. That paddle was trash.

[00:17:44] Because it was spray on grit. That paddle was trash. Yeah. But, you know. Yeah. That was a whole other problem. Exactly. But, okay. Well, that's a good point I hadn't thought of. And then, you know, hearing all of this, I was like, okay, what do the manufacturers actually say? Let's just go see what they said. So, I went to all their websites. Spartus, paddle eraser or damp cloth. Okay. They don't seem to care. Honolulu, I couldn't find anything on their website about cleaning. Maybe I missed it, but I feel like I looked through it and couldn't find anything. In Finnegrit, they say cloth and soap.

[00:18:13] 11-624, damp cloth. Dan? Dan? Clomp? Damp cloth or paddle eraser. Thrive, paddle eraser. Chorus, rubber eraser or damp cloth. 6-0, rubber eraser. And then Luz and Aereo, I couldn't find anything. So, it's like, basically every company is saying, so far, hey, look, besides like, Selkirk, hey, we don't use an eraser. It's fine. We don't really care.

[00:18:43] Later today, I should just make a reel of doing it. Like, just grab every paddle. I probably need a better microscope, though, to see if it clogs it up, you know? I feel like my microscope could be a little bit better. Maybe I'll message Justin or something. I think if it's like, if it really, like with the eraser, if it really leaves residue, it's going to be noticeable. Oh, sure. Even to a camera, right? Like that one that I saw with our sister-in-laws, it was pretty obvious. Like, you could see just black marks across the whole face. Sure. So, yeah, I mean, definitely worth testing just to see what happens.

[00:19:12] But it's like, so far with what I'm seeing on pretty much all of these, hey, it's fine. And also, like, logically, my mind goes, okay, if they're that much more durable than if we weren't concerned about it with raw carbon fiber, why are we concerned about it with the better surface? I guess my final thing I would say, based on, you know, what you said is like, okay, look, you know that there's pretty much zero chance that like water and some mild soap and a microfiber cloth is going to damage it.

[00:19:40] Like, I also think that's probably the most effective way of doing it anyways. It does, I will say, like a lot of the paddles I have done that to, it cleans them up very nicely. Yeah. They like, debris, the face looks like brand new. And no, like water and it getting wet is not going to damage the paddle. As long as you're not soaking it. I was going to say, as long as you're not submerging your paddle underwater, just getting like a little bowl and dunking a towel in it and wiping it, totally fine. Yeah. Like we mean damp, not soaked towel. Yeah, exactly.

[00:20:06] The only paddle, like, so for things like the, uh, ignite, I'm sure an eraser, basically just a different version of peel ply would be totally fine. The only ones that would maybe be concerning is like the 11, six, 24 grit is just different than regular peel ply with how its texture is. So that one, I probably would be a little bit more concerned about using an eraser on any ones that are like, I mean, they, the P one Sparta says it's fine, but again, it's

[00:20:31] just so different that I'd feel a little bit uneasy with an eraser. I think it's one of those things where ultimately probably really doesn't matter that much which one you use. But at the end of the day, something like a damp cloth and soap is going to be your safest. There's like no way this could hurt the paddle option. Yeah. So I think take it for whatever it's worth to you at this point. The other thing like with erasers. So this was a point that was made. I made a real, really long time ago.

[00:20:59] That was about, um, you know, do these rubber erasers hurt your paddle? So I took a brand new paddle and I just rubbed the eraser for like, I can't even remember how long, way too long. And then I measured with a steroid and all those other things. Did the grit get worse? I looked under a microscope. No, it didn't. But the caveat that I later realized is like, okay, well that didn't have any debris on it. So if you're taking debris that you're trying to take out with the eraser and you're like essentially scratching the surface with it, could that hurt the surface?

[00:21:27] And so that is like the one thing that made me go, okay, maybe erasers potentially are not as useful as we thought, or there is a side effect that we hadn't thought of with it. So everyone, look, everyone's got a cloth at home. Everyone's got some soap at home. Just do that. Do I mean, I've tested this once we get done recording with the pod, but I have an idea of something that's not typically used for cleaning a paddle. I think might work. I'm save that. We'll talk about it next week. If it works, if I don't talk about it, it didn't work. Okay. Gotcha.

[00:21:57] Or just use the soap or just use the self. But yeah, I just, I, I randomly thought of that this morning. And when I was trying to think of topics, I was sitting there going so many people on Reddit asked this, but I was like, why, why are we asking this? Like, you know? Yeah. I mean, I get, I get it. You spend a lot of money on a paddle and you're, I would be concerned about damaging it too, depending on what you're using. So I can understand the caution for sure. Yeah. And then the next thing I just want to talk about was, um, so after I think it was last week's podcast. Yeah.

[00:22:26] Cause we brought up the glider and I was saying, Hey, look, we don't actually know if this grit is long lasting yet. Like just because a company says, Hey, we have long lasting grit doesn't mean it's actually long lasting. It's like, I said this a while ago. Yeah. Once there's companies that do it, it's going to become a big thing. We already knew 2026 was going to be the year of longer lasting textures. And then after somebody does it well, there's going to be a bunch of companies that just slap that on their marketing and it probably doesn't work. Yeah.

[00:22:54] And, uh, then I had quite a few people comment and they said, Hey, Brayden actually just ran a test on this and it wasn't any better. So I was like, Oh, let me go pop over to their podcast. So I gave it a listen. And, uh, Brayden's test is basically a little machine that spins a disc. It's an abrasion test and wears down the surface. His actually ended up being a little bit worse than how most raw carbon fiber paddles perform. And then John, uh, just put out like a email newsletter and he also tested it with the Canon

[00:23:21] and it was like the same as raw carbon fiber. See, I wonder, I'm curious if their version of longer lasting texture is just making the peel ply extremely gritty, which then has much higher peaks and valleys. So when you initially read it, it reads as a really high number or it starts off really high, but then those peaks and valleys break off much easier because they're so high. And then that gap between really high start and the percentage of how much it drops makes

[00:23:51] it worse than what a typical paddle would be. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's, there's two ways you can look at that. You can look at it like John's was purely just an RPM test. I think it went from like 1700 RPM to like 1300. And then Brayden's was more of a stare at test. So he's looking at a percentage drop. So we kind of have both, uh, like an RPM and a stare at example. And I have someone actually testing our glider right now. I don't know if they'll get it up to a hundred games or not, but I'll at least be able to

[00:24:17] quickly see like, okay, if it dropped 10% already, like within a handful of games, it's like, well, that's what every raw carbon fiber does. So then I guess we just know it's not that great. It's just a gritty raw carbon fiber. So it's, you know, this is that. And Aereo, I believe John already tested that didn't perform all that awesome. And I've heard from various regular consumers that it doesn't seem to be holding up much better.

[00:24:41] So again, I think everyone, just because a company says, Hey, we have a new long lasting grit. You should not immediately give them the benefit of the doubt and say, Oh yeah, they did it right. Like in an ideal world, that'd be great. But it's like when every company says, Oh, we have the best balance of control and power. You don't immediately go, Oh yeah, that's right. You do. It's like, no, you're skeptical until you prove that it's right. Yeah. The same thing with the grits. Well, I think the first few that were coming out, you know, it's like, Oh, okay.

[00:25:09] You actually did do a bit better of a job, but now I think there are going to be some companies that are trying to, they know if it's not on a paddle, it's not going to sell. And so now they have to try and market something to get you to buy it. Yeah. You really can't just believe it at face value. I mean, look at, it's like every year with like phones when they're like, Oh, this year's phone battery lasts 47 hours. And it's like, okay, but that's with no real world use. You're not actually like doing things on your phone. It's just on. Right.

[00:25:38] And so it's like, okay, then you actually test it and it doesn't last that long. It's kind of, it's kind of how I view the same thing with, with grit textures. Yeah. So we'll see where it continues to go. I'm very curious how it all ends up panning out, but yeah, I just thought some of that would be worth talking about because I, even though here's the thing with the, uh, the glider would have been awesome if it actually had been a better texture. I think there are some people who do want a gen three with a better texture, but even

[00:26:06] at $90, I'm like, dude, it's, it's 90 bucks. I'm like, I almost don't even know if it matters. It's so cheap. There are people that are willing to spend $300 for paddles, basically the same. So just buy three gliders and it'll last a very long time. Like, I think the glider itself is still a great paddle regardless of if it has the grit, but it's not awesome to see a company going like, it just, we made a better grit. It just feels worse because we have paddles out there that we know perform good.

[00:26:32] If those didn't exist, we wouldn't even be saying that about the glider. Totally. So it just feels bad. So yeah, that's some thoughts on some durable grit. Actually, I guess, uh, before we get into that, I guess I have one more, uh, thing I want to talk about. We'll talk about the Omni in a second, but since we're on the grit thing, I'll talk about Infinegrit. So I've had a boomstick that I've been testing. It's at 64 games equivalent right now. Most of those sessions were from drill sessions.

[00:26:59] So I believe I have like eight sessions logged on that boomstick right now. And as I have been doing these tests where I'm the one hitting the paddle, I have a forehand and a backhand side. My boomstick is very obviously marked. So it's extremely easy to see the forehand side. And, uh, my results were not that awesome. And then I started thinking like, okay, not everyone seems to have had as poor of a result as I have had. And I think there's a lot of different things that can go into this, right? Depending on where you're playing, like, do your courts have more debris?

[00:27:29] Are you inside? Is it hot? Is it cold? Is it, how do you take care of your pad? Like there's all these different things that I think could contribute to longevity of a paddle's grit, right? So for example, I feel like it's pretty well established at this point that the lifetime ball seems to damage grit a lot more than say a Franklin ball. I only play with a lifetime ball. When the boomstick came out, the lifetime ball was, well, actually, and finagret was out even before the boomstick.

[00:27:57] But when the boomstick came out, it was just switching to the lifetime ball, like right at that same time. And so maybe with a Franklin, people will have longer, better results than what I have had. But with a lifetime ball, my results have not been good so far. So I'll go over those right now. So my, that boomstick when it was brand new was 2148 RPM.

[00:28:21] And then used after those 64 games equivalent, it has dropped to 1769 RPM. So not even the full hundred that I would normally go to. And it's already in the 1700s. And like, I mean, if you touch it, the center is pretty smoothed compared to the edges. Now for contrast, I was like, let's check the backside of the paddle because the backside, one, I think the backhand side probably just sees less use and touching it.

[00:28:48] It felt more even like the center didn't feel like it was as obviously degraded. And then the backside, hmm, I must've put that. Okay. I have the number anyways, but that was like 1950 or 1958. So if we go by the assumption that you are hitting more forehands and you know, you're probably, your serve is a forehand, your drive often is a forehand versus a backhand, at least for me. So that would make sense that the backhand side wouldn't be as degraded.

[00:29:17] If they, if it had only dropped its 64 games overall to 1900 on both sides, I'd be like, okay, you know what? Definitely better than raw carbon fiber. But I'm like 1700s. That's not great. No, that's pretty bad. I had even checked another brand new boomstick I had. So when it was, I had ran a test on it, 2210 RPM. And then the same day that I was testing the used boomstick, I was like, let's just make sure I'm not off or something. So I went and tried again on that other boomstick.

[00:29:47] And instead of 2210, I got 2259. So to me within the margin of error, it's just so interesting with like specifically in fine and grit, why it doesn't work. And the testing they do in their lab, like we went there, we saw the lab, we saw the equipment they use. They have their cannon. I can't remember the exact number of times or how long they leave it in the cannon to be shot at. But then they also have the abrasion test. So what's interesting though is I can't remember. So don't quote me on this.

[00:30:16] I feel like the cannon was more for core. It was the abrasion was for grit. Yes. It was more for the core degradation, but also like, again, same thing with the abrasion test. I'm like everything that they were showing us, it was passing the lab test, but it clearly does not pass real world testing. Yeah. So I don't know. It's just very interesting. I feel like that's one of the things where it's like, there's obviously a lot of variables in the real world, right? Like the ball, the lifetime ball. Like if I went in. Weather. Weather.

[00:30:46] Debris off the court. Stuff like that. Like if I did this with a Franklin ball, would we have different results? Like it would just be interesting to see. So it's like, I think I said this in my Omni video, but it's like, look, I can't come out here and just say like, oh, infinite grit is like complete crap in all scenarios. Right. But it's like under the conditions that I tested it in and the results I got is not all that promising, at least compared to hex grit, the P1. Like those are just better. I'd be curious to do a test.

[00:31:14] I wonder how much weather affects it specifically with the lifetime ball. Cause like, okay. Imagine we had a brand new boomstick. We tested it outside in the sun. Lifetime balls get softer. Play test it. See how much it drops. Then in the winter, when it gets cold play, the ball is much firmer, much harder, probably going to damage it more. I would assume and see what the difference is. Cause I'm just imagining like people in Florida play with it versus people up North play with it. Like how much is the difference going to be? Yep.

[00:31:44] Yep. So yeah, that's what I have on the infinigrid right now is like when I, I had checked it at 64 games, like I said, normally I'd go up to a hundred, but since the Omni video was coming up, I was like, well, it'd probably be good to have a data point just on where infinigrid is right now. And when I saw it, I was like, oof, I was like, that's not quite what I was expecting. So I don't know. We'll see like maybe some of the other reviewers will have results, um, for like more real world play testing and maybe with different balls and then we'll have a better idea. Maybe I could even find someone here who mostly plays with Franklin's and give them another

[00:32:14] boomstick and just be like, Hey, you just mind beating this up? You know, I'll probably keep putting games on the Omni. See how long that lasts. Yeah. Yeah. True. So maybe that could be, but then again, you're also playing with a lifetime ball. So it's like, yeah, right. It'd be nice to know with a different ball and see if we get a different result. Yeah. But anyways, with all that being said, let's actually talk about the Omni because now that, um, by the time you hear this podcast, this paddle will actually be out. Nice. Boom. So here's Omni.

[00:32:41] So, uh, you've probably already seen my review on it. So you've heard a lot of my thoughts. So I'll kind of let Aizec give his take on the paddle. Um, I guess before we go over that, if somehow you have not seen that review yet, the main headline features I feel like about the Omni are one, it was trying to be more of an all court paddle. I think that's extremely questionable. In my opinion, this is a power paddle with weight. I think the MOI is on it. It's a power paddle. Like other all court, true all court paddles.

[00:33:08] I feel like are much less poppy than the Omni is when Omni doesn't have the weights on it. I think it's an all court paddle. Hmm. Um, it's $300. The weights are removable, which is a great feature. Uh, I am worried that that's going to hurt the edge guards over time, uh, since the boom stick didn't hold up that well. But let's just say that ends up being fine. I mean, this is, I think you'd probably agree with me. This is by far would be the best weight system in pickleball. Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:33:38] No tool. Yep. Pop it on and off, put it pretty much wherever you want. And if they eventually get to a point, and this is what I would feel like sell Kirk would eventually work towards is after they, you know, okay. Boomstick without removable had issues. Okay. Maybe we got to beef up the glue. Okay. Well now let's make them removable and see how it holds up. If that holds up well. Okay. Now we start adding it to other paddles. And if we do, maybe we sell different weights, you know, maybe it's three gram, maybe it's whatever, maybe it's bigger weights. I think it would make so much sense. Yeah.

[00:34:06] And then it's like, yeah, they have, they would imagine they have to, it just feels like it'd make so much sense to do that. A hundred percent. So no tool. And there's no like, oh, you can't put weight here. Cause there's this weird like bolt system or a weird carve out. Or like, if you take the weights off, you can do whatever you want to it. Yeah. So it's like versatile and can kind of be whatever you want. Like I'm not a huge fan of having concentrated weight like that. So I would take it off and wait it myself, which just even having the option. Great. Yeah. Awesome.

[00:34:35] But overall with the paddle, I, this handle feels better than any boomstick handle I've ever used, which is nice, but still my biggest issue with these Selkirk paddles. And I can tell even the short time I've been using this probably seven play sessions because of how sharp the edge of this edge guard is here for the weights to clamp on. It was literally ripping skin off my thumb.

[00:35:00] So I would either have to put tape on the edge here or wrap my thumb or something, go full Susanna bar and put a glove on my left hand, which I'm sorry. I can't, I can't stoop to that level. Um, but yeah, the edge guard is my biggest issue with these, uh, Selkirk paddles, but overall I, I kind of agree with you and I kind of disagree with you on the power level. I think with, without the weight for sure, like middle of all court. And I think it's pretty good. Like I liked it.

[00:35:29] It's definitely still on the poppier side, but it's definitely not that powerful, right? Like there's so many paddles that I would say are above it in, in power level, obviously boomstick, loco, aereo, um, even the turbos or a pro like there's tons, right? And then with the weight, obviously power does go up a little bit. Pop goes up a lot. Yeah.

[00:35:56] But it's still not overall that powerful and it's very soft. Um, I would say it's the upper range of all court. I just don't know. I mean, maybe like really low power, but I would not put it in. Like I would, this is definitely a power paddle. I would, man, like I would not, I couldn't even say upper all court. Like, I feel like, I feel like because the pop is so high with the weight on it. I'm just like, man, I'm thinking other all court paddles.

[00:36:23] I'm used to like the main ones I compared it to were the aura and the six zero coral pro. And then I'm like, okay, if I busted out in NF right now, would I place the omni with weight above it for pop? I'm like, yeah, I definitely would place it above an NF for pop. Yeah. But power, even power, I'd probably put it above an NF. So I'm like, I just feel like it, when I think all court, I don't think like low tier power paddle as all court, you know?

[00:36:50] Like maybe, I think one thing that I, well, I might disagree with how it's categorized. I'd be like, if you're a Selkirk, you're like, okay, but do you think there's enough of a separation between this and the boomstick? In my opinion? No, no, I don't. I think that if what you wanted was a paddle that felt similar to a boomstick, but toned it down a little bit. Yes. But like, so if someone wants to buy a boomstick, would you just be like, get this and it's cheaper?

[00:37:20] And you have a better weighting system? It depends. I think if you, if you were seeking the most amount of pop and power you could get, then I wouldn't say go to the Omni. I think some people would be able to go, okay, I do want that little bit extra from it. But I think if you were expecting a much more control oriented version of a boomstick, the Omni with the weight was more than I was expecting. So it's like, I think there is some separation. And the nice thing too is like, oh, you want it to be more all court?

[00:37:50] Pop the weight off and do whatever you want to, you know, put a little bit of weight or whatever. I think I would agree more where when the weight's higher, definitely more, obviously, higher weight, higher plow through, going to hit the ball harder. That's just natural. Closer to power. But even when I put the weights down here towards the throat with weight on the paddle, it's in my opinion, still felt kind of like an all court paddle. That's so interesting. Like poppy all court for sure. Very poppy.

[00:38:18] But not like, I wouldn't say it was a power paddle. I don't know. Like I'm not calling high tier. I'm not saying like, it's not loco. It's not, you know, boomstick. I'm trying to look at the wall and think of like, what's a low tier power paddle that I would think of that I would compare this to. And any of the power paddles that I'm looking at the wall right now, I would place above it. Above the low tier power paddle? Yeah, this. Yeah. So then like, how do we call this like upper all court?

[00:38:45] No, I'm saying even the low tier power paddles on the wall are more powerful than this. Oh, like what? Like the Valer, the shift. Yeah. Ooh. I mean, I haven't hit a shift in a while, but like, and I think, you know what? The rhombus. One of the things that I think could trip me up with this is that because it's still so loud, like a boomstick and it's with the weight, its feel profile is like that, like stiff

[00:39:15] and hollow, kind of like the boomstick where most all court paddles are soft and dense. Even the reserve. Yeah. What do you think is more powerful than this? I can see maybe on drives, but not pop. Not pop. No, no, not pop. But I'm specifically talking power. Like just drives, groundstroke serves. Okay. Maybe I can see that. I'm talking more like the whole paddle. Sure. Like both of those combined. Like if you combine them into like a firepower rating. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. Maybe it's just because it's a feel thing.

[00:39:45] Yeah. Could be. Like, you know, there's not a lot of paddles all court that are stiff and hollow. So maybe that is why it's like tripping me up. Stiff? Oh yeah. With the weight? For sure. Without the weight, it's very soft. With the weight, it's stiff. What? We should go out and hit this next to an aura. What do you call an aura? Well, obviously. Obviously. Obviously, the aura is soft. Okay. But this too, hitting it next to it is soft.

[00:40:13] So if you're placing it on a chart, where would it be? Okay. I'm thinking like, here's my chart. Lux. Most pillow you can get. Uh-huh. Then you take two steps over and you've got the aura. Uh-huh. And then maybe one step more, you've got this. Like, maybe a little bit more. And then the far end is like, I'm trying to think of what this, like a paddle tech, obviously. Like the stiffest thing you can possibly get.

[00:40:42] So I don't think it's. Oh, that's crazy to me. I don't think it's that much stiffer. I feel like with the weight. It's so, every time I've hit it, it's so soft. That is crazy. It's just springy. Yeah. But it has such a soft feel to it. I was not. I only got soft when I took the weights off. Like, I love it without the weight. The only thing is like the sweet spot does get a little bit smaller, which I don't love. But I like so much more how it feels without the weight than with the weight. Interesting.

[00:41:12] Like, I, the whole time I was hitting it, even actually. So initially I was like, hmm, this reminds me a lot of a boomstick. Then I hit them a little bit and I was like, okay, there's some differences. And then I pick up the boomstick and I'm like, wow, the feel is not as different as I would expect. Like, yeah, the boomstick is different. I feel like the rebound is like quicker. But then I go to this and I'm like, hmm, feels not as drastic as I would have thought. But maybe if you're Selkirk, you're going, you know what? This is the paddle that finally gave us a gigantic hit everyone loved.

[00:41:42] If we just make it a tiny bit less powerful, then we're fine. Because I feel like if they went too far, maybe to where I'm thinking all court is, maybe that's where they're like, okay, well, we're just going to get criticized. I mean, then you're too close to a luxe. Yeah. Right. Then they're like, well, now everyone's just going to complain it's too soft. And everyone would rather have the other end. And what I do like about this, I said it in the review, is that I like that when you take the weight off, it feels so different to me because then it's like you kind of get whatever you want. Okay. Compare it to an era.

[00:42:13] Hmm. Obviously not a foam paddle, but pop power levels. Hmm. I haven't hit an era in a minute. Pop, I would say was higher on the Omni. Okay. Drive speed? I like, I don't think I would have thought it was like that big of a gap. Interesting. Maybe, maybe we need to just pause this, go on the court right now with the radar gun and literally check these. Test it all. Oh man. Yeah. I don't know. Interesting.

[00:42:41] This is like one of the first paddles in a long time that we've had like very different thoughts on. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I'd be very curious to see like what everyone else, all the conclusions other people come to, like when consumers get them, other reviewers, what they think of it. Yeah. I mean, with fresh grit, I was able to shape the ball way more than any boomstick I've used. So I thought that was interesting. And I let a friend hit it and he agreed. And he plays with a boomstick. He plays with a boomstick. He had a brand new boomstick and I let him use this.

[00:43:08] And he was like, instantly, he's like, I get way more shape with this than any boomstick he plays with. So I thought that was interesting. So shape was good. But how long is the finagret going to last? Who knows? Yeah. Overall, I think it's solid. Would it be my first choice to bring to a tournament? No. Just because of the edge guard. But I think it's solid. So let's take this out of the equation. Because I think you're really the only person who I've ever heard talk about the edge guard.

[00:43:36] So just say it was a regular edge guard. Like across all court paddles, where do you place it? Would you choose to use it over other all court paddles? How do you rank it in that way? If I take out all the specific variables that I don't like about these all court paddles, edge guard on this, shape of the Coral Pro, and stuff like that, it'd be tough. Don't really like the Aura that much. So I'll probably put that last. Okay.

[00:44:07] Then I'll probably put Coral Pro. And play-wise, I probably like this the most. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was curious about. Yeah. If I take out all the specific variables, I'd probably take this. So it's like, I think the paddle itself is very good. I just think the value is more the question mark. So if you're someone who's like, look, I couldn't care less about price. It does not matter to me, which there are some people that they don't care. I think the Omni performance-wise is good. I could recommend it. I like the paddle.

[00:44:36] I might even use it at the Nerdy Tourney. I don't know. It's going to be Omni or Loco. I don't really know yet. I think the performance is not the question. It's more like, okay, well, Infinegrit was a big value add. I feel like it is less of a value add if you play a lifetime ball. And then the only other thing that makes the price tag even remotely could consider it being worth it is the lifetime warranty. The amount of people that I know who have gotten genuine value out of that is quite a few. So it's like, that is the biggest thing.

[00:45:05] But I'm like, $300, three Auras, two, one and a half, like, Coral Pros. Like, I don't know. I just, I think there's very good competition for all court. So I don't know. I feel like if you love the Boomstick and want it a little bit less, like, you might just love the Omni. Yeah. But I don't think it'd be, I'm not out here going like, oh, yeah. For $300, guys, it's the best paddle you're ever going to play. For sure. I would agree.

[00:45:30] I think it's overpriced unless you think you're going to need that lifetime warranty. So I think, think about this. Here's an even better way to price it because I think this is the more fair way to talk about it. If you had to go and buy an all-court paddle, your own money, are you buying an Omni or are you buying something else? I guess it all depends on how, because, like, I'm pretty particular about how a paddle plays.

[00:45:57] And if I'm going, buying this paddle to play tournaments and be as competitive as I can be, I'm looking at the wall. I mean, you did like the Fakalos as well. Yeah. Fakalos is good. How much is the Coral Pro? Coral Pro will be $220. I'd probably, honestly, I probably would just buy this. You'd buy the Omni? Specifically for performance reasons. Like, you would be able to get over the edge guard? That's the toughest thing, yeah.

[00:46:27] I mean, that, again, I think is a non-issue for most people. Yeah, I've never tried, like, putting tape over the edge to soften it up. So maybe if I messed around with that, I'd get over it. So yeah, I probably would. Specifically for play reasons, like how good I'm going to be able to play. Okay. Then yeah, I probably would. Okay. Well, I'd say I think, and that's, that's like a good way, I feel like, just to explain it to the audience. Because I think there's a lot of ways you can look at a paddle, right? There's, like, raw performance. There's performance plus value. There's, like, durability of different things.

[00:46:55] And I feel like, clearly the performance of it you think is good enough to justify the price if you had to buy it with your own money. Yeah. Otherwise, the other one that would be competing with the most would be the Faklos. Faklos. Yeah. So I don't think I have too much on the Omni. I mean, by the time you guys hear this, you've probably already heard plenty about this paddle. And then, you know, Selkirk's are typically, like, some of the most easy to try. They're in lots of pro shops. I'm sure they'll kind of be out in the wild. So if you do get to try it, let us know what you think.

[00:47:24] Let us know where you think the fuel profile kind of is. Let us know what, how you thought it played in terms of how poppy and whatnot. But yeah, let us know. So that's our thoughts on the Omni. Solid. Okay. Next up, we have the Owl. So, okay. I've had you guys ask about this paddle. And it really wasn't until Jack Monroe started using it that a lot of people started asking questions about it.

[00:47:51] And there will be a first impressions video out after this podcast, probably by Friday when you hear this. But we'll just give you guys some of the cliff notes right now. So first, let's go for it. Let's go over some specs first. Then we'll get into the play of this thing. So, okay. Swing weight. Well, first of all, we'll talk about the shape. So the shape is actually an extra elongated. So we don't see this much anymore. But it's 16.75 by 7.25. So it is a quarter inch longer than most elongated paddles.

[00:48:20] It has a six inch handle. It is edgeless and has a swing weight of 131. It's heavy. Twist weight of 5.23. And the balance point was also the highest I have ever seen at 262. Or 262. Not 500. That'd be absolutely insane. So it's a thick boy. It's thick. It's heavy. Yeah.

[00:48:44] I mean, this felt surface on here across the whole face has got to add a lot of weight across the upper head of the paddle. So, yeah. It's kind of wild. It's just... It's like the more you use it, the more the felt is going to fluff up and grab the ball more. Durability on the edge is going to be interesting of like hitting this thing into the ground. Yeah. Basically, the only thing that I think... Well, first of all, if they just made this in other shapes, it would be interesting.

[00:49:14] I think there would be... You know, if it was like a wide body hybrid and elongated, probably a lot more reasonable for most people. I just don't think most people are going to swing a 131 paddle. You know, there are some people out there like you who could swing it. Even when I used it, it wasn't like killing me, but it was also a lot of like ground strokes to test the spin. And that is the thing that is bonkers about this. Like you'll see when... Maybe I'll even put it in this video, but one of the first drives I hit dipped so hard that you literally just whiffed.

[00:49:43] I didn't actually think it was getting over the net. I was just kind of still swinging and it went right under my paddle. It was like I literally started laughing because I couldn't believe it. Yeah. And then drops were crazy. Even dinks, I felt like I could put spin on it in ways that I just couldn't with other paddles. And then also the other aspect of it, of like the actual paddle is the owl paddle. It doesn't make sound. It's very quiet. It's very quiet.

[00:50:09] So playing, it throws off so much of your senses. Like someone hitting a full swing from midcourt. Obviously you can see it, but you don't realize how much the audible effect of pickleball matters until you don't have it. Yeah. Because it's so strange. Hands battles are really funky. So yeah, it's... I mean, we even realized that a couple of years ago when you made that concrete paddle. I made a paddle out of solid concrete back when I used to work at a... Probably why his shoulder hurts. That thing weighed three pounds. Yeah. It was great.

[00:50:42] But back when I worked at a concrete manufacturer, I made that thing. And dude, everyone was like, whoa, I can't tell what you're hitting, how fast it's coming at me because there's no sound. Yeah. And we talk about this all the time, how the sound changes your perception of how fast the ball is or how powerful it is. So naturally on the receiving end, if you can't even hear it, it's going to throw you off. And yeah, playing against this, it was really funky.

[00:51:11] Yeah. It would take a while to get used to that. I think if we saw these more in mass, which I kind of doubt we will just because of the swing weight, it would be very interesting to see how the reactions would be across the board. Because I think these are so few and far between that you're not going to see a lot of complaints. But I think the quiet would really trip people up. I think it's reasonably powerful. It's not crazy, but it's got some juice to it. Yeah.

[00:51:36] And then the spin in combination with all of that, if you had someone who could, like a D1 tennis player who really knows how to spin the ball, like, I mean, someone like QD would probably be pretty wild with this. I mean, I'm sure just a lot of pro players in general would be crazy. I'm very curious how the market would start reacting with that. Bro, Roscoe with one of these things? I mean, it'd be crazy. I mean, the fact that I could spin the ball the way I was doing it and like, I'm just an average pickleball player, like, that's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

[00:52:06] So, I don't know. It's not something that I think I would probably go out recommending a ton. And what was interesting is, and maybe it's just because it's so heavy and has so much mass that the sweet spot feels better. But it's definitely a better sweet spot for an edgeless paddle that we've ever tested. Yeah, 100%. Like, it wasn't that bad. But again, I think it just has so much mass and heft up towards the head that kind of is deceiving. It helps a lot.

[00:52:35] One thing you mentioned while we were hitting it is maybe some of the carpet is adding like, a little bit of extra spring in areas where it would be more rigid. Yeah. Like, you definitely, there is a drop off. This is not like, oh, it's got the biggest sweet spot. It's not like it's a boomstick. Yeah. Not a boomstick. For sure. But for edgeless, it's more than acceptable. Like, would I compare this to like, even a Gen 2 edged paddle? Probably not. But yeah, four edgeless paddles. It's... I feel like it's not that far behind a Gen 2. No, it's not. It's probably pretty comparable.

[00:53:05] Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Like, I felt like it was... I wasn't really complaining about it when I was using it. Right. Not like typically when I'm hitting an edgeless paddle, it's like very noticeable right away. It's like, whoa, this sweet spot sucks. But yeah, it didn't really cross my mind while testing this. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, again, I still have so many questions of why is... Why are people allowed to play with this? Why is this on an approved list? I'll be honest. I'm getting to a point where I...

[00:53:34] It's not that I don't care, but things make so little sense at this point that my desire to care is dropping immensely. Oh, 100%. I look at this right here. This... Zoom in. This stamp right here. Worthless. Yeah. Like, I just... This is a joke. Yeah. Might as well put the hush on the approved list at this point. Yeah. I don't know why... Yeah. Why is the hush not on the approved list? If this can be on the approved list, why can't the hush? I mean, it may be...

[00:54:01] I mean, I get it because it is so immensely powerful. But okay, just tone it down. Yeah. Right. It would probably sell if you made it not super heavy and it, you know, if it spins the ball that well. The only thing we don't know is how long would this service last, right? Like, maybe it doesn't actually last that long. I think it's going to get rougher. Sure. The more you use it, the more it's going to grab the ball. I saw someone... I don't know if it was in my Discord, but theirs was like pretty messed up. And they were saying when it got to that point, they're like, it definitely dropped off. You think?

[00:54:31] Really? That's what they were saying. They said they've been playing with it for a while. And they're like, it's definitely worse than what it would do. Maybe I should just use this for a while and see what happens. Yeah. Like, nobody would want to play with me though. Yeah, I know. People would get pissed. I think it would frustrate people with it just not making any sound. Yeah. Or very minimal. Like, honestly, I don't... I think if you had four of these in my backyard, I think you would not be able to hear it in my front yard. Yeah. And a regular paddle, you can for sure hear in my front yard. Uh-huh.

[00:54:57] So if a quiet paddle matters to you, like you live in an area, you know, this could be an option if you can get over the swing weight. I think they do have an older model that might be closer to a traditional length. So it might not be as heavy, but we have the Talon X1 here. So yeah, I don't know. Uh, if you do plan to pick one up, don't have a code, bought this with my own money. So find another code somewhere online. But yeah, I just had enough of you guys ask that I was like, okay, I'll go check it out. Cause I really had never messed with one of these. I'd maybe bounced a ball on it once.

[00:55:27] And I think that was when it was only quiet approved. So I kind of just went, okay, I don't really care. But then this, I don't know. So that's the thoughts on the owl. So many questions. Okay. Next up, we've got two other paddles that we hit this morning. We got the Aereo Cyclone Hybrid. Uh, this does have Nanograph on it. We've kind of already talked about that. So don't think that that's really a selling point, but this is just a hybrid version.

[00:55:55] I want to say they only had an elongated before. And we talked about the elongated one time on the pod. And now we have the hybrid. So I got to hit this a little bit this morning because, you know, hybrid's a little bit more of my speed. So I was curious if that changed anything. And first thing I will say, I, if there are not too often that I find that a paddle is genuinely overhyped in pickleball.

[00:56:21] But if I was ever going to pick a paddle, it would be the Aereo Cyclone. If there's something that we're going to agree on, it's that. Like, I, I swear sometimes the way the Cyclone gets talked about is like, it is the second coming of Jesus. And I'm like, I, it's not that I don't get it. Here's the thing. I, I'm not saying it because I think the paddle is bad. I don't believe that at all. I actually think it is a good paddle, but the way it gets talked about, I would think

[00:56:50] that you would go from a four Oh to a five Oh just by looking at this paddle. Like the, I swear everywhere I see it, it's like the most hyped paddle I've ever heard. It's not only the most hyped paddle, but it's complained about a bunch. Like I just, it's, I don't even think it's that crazy of a paddle. It's power paddle for sure, but it's not that crazy. I'm sure you've probably seen it. This like, I did see that thing on Instagram. And this one guy playing a tournament and this older guy kept yelling at him cause it's juice and this and that.

[00:57:19] And then they made their own videos. I feel like it's gotta be a bit like, right. Like I feel like the whole thing is fake and it's made up, but who knows? Like, I'm like, guys, it's on the, well, however much you want to put weight in this approved stamp, it's approved. So you can use it. It's not a juiced paddle. Is it a power paddle? Yes. Like, I don't know. It's so overhyped and over talked about. But the thing for me is that I think one with how light it is, because this one specs on

[00:57:47] this one Oh six swing way at 6.29 twist weight and static weight. If I had to guess was probably like seven, seven or seven, eight. I do think for how light it is, it hits very hard. Like if you weighted this up to probably what you would use, or let's say you did like an MOI style weighting on this. I bet you this thing absolutely pummels the ball. Like I have not tried that yet, but other paddles. Right. But I don't think it's going to hit any harder than like how I weighted up my Inferno or how I weighed up an aura pro.

[00:58:17] But I think it would hit just as hard as any of the top power paddles. Just as hard, for sure. Yeah. I definitely would agree with that, that it's definitely up there on the power scale. But is it so powerful that it's like, oh my gosh, I can't play against this paddle? Sure. Like that one video I was talking about? Yeah. No, I think that's silly. Sure. Sure. That I agree with. So it's like, I don't know. I think it's maybe just that it's the way it is talked about, that maybe my expectation

[00:58:42] was shifted into this thing of like, oh, well, it's got to be like, I don't know what it has to be, but it better be the craziest thing I've ever hit. The greatest paddle ever made. I think it's very good. Like the hybrid, I, and it's probably more of a shape thing just because I tend to like wide body and hybrid more. But when I played the hybrid, I liked it a lot more than I liked the elongated the first time I had hit that. Like this morning when we were hitting with it, I was like, okay, I like this. Like I could probably go to a tournament with this right now, feel very comfortable.

[00:59:11] I like how the ball is coming off. I feel like I have good juice, but I also didn't feel like my control was completely lost with it. Like I liked how I was playing with it. Thing is very solid. I would again, love to see this with some weight on it. See what that does. Just even just a sweet spot. I don't even really care about the paddle. I mean, 106. I mean, that's a, that's a wide body light. So if there was anything in my opinion to get really excited about for the Cyclone, it's not that it's the best paddle in pickleball, but I think it is one of the

[00:59:42] lightest true power paddles you could have. Even the elongated was really light. And it doesn't play bad without weight versus like a grombus quanta where it's like, dude, you're going to need to wait on this thing to make it playable. In my opinion. Agreed. Right. Where it's like, did I love this hitting it outside without weight on it? No. Probably again, same thing where it's a shape preference, but the elongated even without weight, I think is pretty good. Yeah. So, so I think in, I think there are a lot of things going for it like that where it's

[01:00:11] like, okay, Hey, you're someone that maybe has some wrist issues or shoulder issues. You need a, you want a power paddle that's light, like you still want something and it's not going to destroy your arm. I'd be like, this could be that. Yeah. But if you're expecting like, man, I'm going to have Lux control, boomstick power and like all these things. It's like, I don't think it's that also again, you know, nanograph seems to be questionable as a service texture, but yeah, I don't know. That's kind of my thoughts is like, I think it's good.

[01:00:40] I, you had an interesting thought on the hybrid versus elongated. It's as though. It's like, tell me about that. So I, when I was playing them, I felt like the hybrid was more springy and less rigid and then the elongated, it just felt like a little stiffer to me where when I was hitting drops, I liked it more on the hybrid. I felt like for certain touch shots, I just felt like a little bit more in control than I did with the elongated.

[01:01:07] Like maybe some of that does just come down to, Hey, the hybrid has a bigger sweet spot than the elongated. And that's what I'm used to hitting, but it felt just different enough for me to go. Like, I liked the hybrid more because of that. Not that it was a completely different paddle, but just subtly different enough that I cared, you know? Interesting. So I don't know. To me, the paddle, like the cyclone as a whole overhyped, but I think for the right segment of people certainly has its place. Yeah.

[01:01:36] Like, yeah, it's not bad. Right. At all. Yeah. By us saying it's like super overhyped and, and like people think it's way too good. Do we think it's bad? No. Yeah. I don't think it's a good paddle. I just think it's not this crazy, amazing paddle that everyone says it is. It's like, it feels like the way I see it talked about is like if it came down from the heavens and it was glowing and people were like, it has the longest lasting grid in pickleball. It's 99 swing weight, but has the plow through of 130.

[01:02:05] It's $99 comes in all three shapes and it'll make you breakfast. That's like how I swear. I see this. Everyone's bowing down to this paddle as it falls from the sky. Yeah, exactly. It's just like, man, I, yeah, it's good, but we don't have to act like I would marry this thing. What's crazy is like, I don't even understand how it became so like, oh, like crazy hyped. It's not like they have some crazy marketing that's going on or like it's being blasted everywhere.

[01:02:33] It just kind of all of a sudden was like, it blew up. Yeah. Weird. I don't know. I don't know. So yeah, it's solid. I think it's good. Great power paddle. If you like the pretty stiff and hollow, really springy, poppy, powerful paddles. Like if you like an Inferno, you'll like this. You like a boomstick? Yep. You could like this. I don't think it's quite as stiff as like a boomstick. Agree. But yeah, it's in that realm of paddles.

[01:03:01] Where it's like, you know, if you're seeking big pop and power and you don't want it as like the price of something like a boomstick, then yeah. Yep. Exactly. Okay. And then the last one we'll talk about before we get to our game, which I'm very excited for this game. Yeah. It's going to be interesting. So this is not out yet. There's not an exact release date, but I think they made it sound like it would most likely be June and they said there was no embargo. So this is the 11624 Ultra.

[01:03:30] I did ask. It's Ultra, even though it has an E in the name. So this is an interesting one. It's basically just another shape for the Power 2 line. There were a lot of people who they don't like the rounded top. Isaac's not a big fan of the rounded top paddles. And so they basically made a flat top one. What's interesting is definitely I would say it's still technically a hybrid, but it's weird because there are elongateds that are this length. And it's like just a little bit longer than a hybrid, but a little bit shorter than an elongated.

[01:04:00] So it's like, I don't know what some people could probably feel it's one or the other. You know, you're going to grab a paddle. Oh, Cosmos. Like it should be a little bit longer than this. Let's hold this up here. It's like identical. So maybe the Cosmos is also like, I don't have the tape measure down here, but maybe this is like 16 three, but like a normal hybrid is 16. 0.25.

[01:04:27] The ultra is around 16.35. So the thing is, is like, even though it may be close to an elongated, I would not say this plays like an elongated at all. The handle is definitely shorter. It's a more, finally a more normal shape from 11, 624, which I appreciate. I think this is better than the vapor playing with this today. It's more stable. It feels more solid. What I actually, just before you move on from that, what's actually interesting is so our

[01:04:55] unit was 111 swing weight, 6.34 twist weight. I actually would have thought with this having the flatter top that the swing weight would have been quite a bit higher, especially because it is longer than the power two. Cause let me go to my database quick. I'm pretty sure that the vapor is like not that far in terms of swing weight. It is also 111.

[01:05:19] So I don't really know how this could be longer flat top and be a 111 swing weight. This is what I've been saying. That curve top does not actually save you swing weight points. It definitely does. It for sure does. What I'm curious is if this is actually, we have other ones, we should check them. If this is a really light one or what the deal is. Cause that's just very interesting to me. Yeah. But again, I much appreciate the flat top.

[01:05:48] If I was going to have to pick, I would take this over the vapor for sure. Um, still just, okay. Power two. I think it's a good paddle. Great paddle. Just not for me. I don't particularly love how it plays, but I recognize it is a very good paddle for the masses and people will like it. And it is much appreciated that there's a more normal shape. Yeah. I like playing with it this morning. I don't think I had a lot of expectations, uh, going into it. Um, I was just kind of curious, like, Oh, you know, will it play very different?

[01:06:17] And to me, it definitely felt like it had a larger sweet spot. Cause one of the things playing with the vapor power to is I definitely felt like I had to add weight on the sides. And I also felt like I had to add weight at the head, which I rarely feel like with most paddles. Now, of course hitting this morning, probably only hit this for about 20 minutes. Cause we were rotating a couple other paddles, but in that 20 minutes, it felt more stable and just clean on certain off center hits that on the vapor.

[01:06:46] I remember just going like, ah, like I didn't really love how that felt. So I feel like if you were someone who didn't like how the vapor played, like, Oh, you're like, Oh, I don't like how it looks. This is probably your, well, this would be your next best option. Um, just with it being flatter, I think it'll be more stable and it's not drastically heavier. Like, honestly, I thought just looking at the shape that this was going to be like a one 16, one 17 swing weight probably. And it's still plenty light. So yeah, I don't know.

[01:07:15] I think it's, it's not going to be, this is not a new paddle. No, it's just a new shape. It's just another option. Yeah. So for people who want that, you know, have that as an option. I think there'll be people who appreciate that, um, on the handle length. Actually, let me just hold it up. Let me see what the taper is here. If you've held a cosmos, it's almost identical. It's a very similar taper as a cosmos. So you're not getting like the full elongated handle.

[01:07:41] So if you are someone that that's going to like bother you do just be warned. Here's what I say. 11, six, 24, drop the vapor, drop the Harache, make it both normal flat top, elongated and hybrid. There you go. Now you've got good, good paddles, good shapes. No, no, no. That's what I should say. But yeah, I don't know. I liked it. I want to hit that one a little bit more. It's not going to be anything, uh, like, I don't know that it needs its own like whole review, like maybe just a quick short or something. But yeah, if you're interested in that, check it out.

[01:08:10] I think it could be, uh, interesting for certain people that didn't like the vapor. I just think when it comes to shapes outside of like beyond just like hybrid elongated wide body, I don't think there's much of a reason to go off the path that we have. Like what? Of just typical, like the, the normal shapes. Right. So like enhance with their hybrid. Right. I don't see a purpose in that. Uh, the vapor. I don't really see a purpose in that.

[01:08:40] This is much better in my opinion, shape wise than the, for a hybrid than the vapor or like elongated with the Harache. We have such a great elongated shape. I don't see any benefit in the Harache shape or like even for me with the, um, why am I blanking on Yola's curved? Hyperion? The Hyperion. Mm-hmm. The Perseus is just a much better shape. I don't know. Some people just like it. Like I, we have a guy here that he won't use anything but the Hyperion. Few. Yeah. So few people.

[01:09:09] But even if it's few, there are still people who will use it. Nah. Nah. I was just going to get his reviewer card revoked. All right. Uh, let's play this game here. Okay. So we have a game where basically I've seen this all over the internet. So many. Basically, I picked some paddles for Isaac. He is going to hold it up next to his head on the phone. So if you are watching this, this is going to be very funny.

[01:09:34] If you are listening, I am going to insert a voiceover with what the paddles are so you can hear what it is because if you can't, it's much funnier if you can see. So Isaac will hold this up to his head and have to guess what his paddle. His. Yep. And I will do the same with another pad. Well, so yeah, we both do it at the same time. Here's my phone. Let me make sure that. So since you're listening to this podcast episode, that means you can't see what's on our head. Isaac had an Onyx Z5 and I had an Engage Pursuit Pro MX.

[01:10:03] We can ask one question each and then go back and forth until we get it. Yes. Just make sure you don't look at the monitor over there. I'm not looking at the monitor. I'm looking right at you. Okay. Ready? If you see me look that way, yell at me. Okay. But I'm not going to look that way. Okay. Is you ready to hold him up? Okay. Uh, well hold it up vertically. Oh, is it a vertical? I have yours vertical and then you'll probably want to hold it just curved so that the screen over there can kind of see it. Okay. Okay. Ask your question. Uh, am I only single certified?

[01:10:32] Yes. Okay. Go ahead. You can ask. We'll go back and forth. Yeah. Am I a hybrid? No. Okay. Go ahead. You, you might have to like stick it. I don't know. Actually, I'll hold that. I'm going to hold this down just to look at your monitor quick, just to make sure your phone is in frame. Okay. Yeah. I can be seen. Okay. Um, is, does mine come in multiple shapes?

[01:11:02] All three shapes comes in multiple shapes, but not all three, not all three. Okay. Got it. Is my name typical of the three shapes? Yeah. Okay. Okay. It's one of them. Okay. Okay. Uh, am I a major brand or a smaller brand? Major brand. Okay. Okay. Uh, am I, wait, no, no, you just asked a question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I really want to nail down the shape. I don't know why. Okay. Does it, does it come in all three shapes?

[01:11:32] Is it just one shape? I think it only comes in one shape. It only comes in one shape. Okay. Uh, am I a top three brand? I wouldn't put it top three. No. As a brand. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That helps. So am I elongated? No. Okay. Oh man. What else? Oh, wait. Oh, am I released in the last, um, last three years? No.

[01:12:01] Oh, okay. I think it's close. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. So am I a wide body? You are a wide body. Okay. Only comes in wide body? Only comes in a wide body. What? Okay. To my knowledge. Really? To my knowledge. Okay. Go ahead. I'm like trying to think, this is, now that I'm thinking about this, it's so much harder to like narrow down. I know. This is really tough. Was this paddle ever good? Yeah. Like it was relevant? Mm-hmm.

[01:12:31] Okay. Shoot. I think you, I think you're onto it. Okay. Gosh, I have nothing. Only comes in wide body. Dual approved? Single approved? Single approved. Single approved. Okay. So it's, must be. Is it? Oh man. Comes in multiple shapes. Did I like this paddle? I genuinely don't remember. I don't think so. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I don't think so. Okay.

[01:13:01] Go ahead. Major brand? Ish? I mean, not today. Not today. So it must be older. Okay, go ahead. Oh man. Was this paddle controversial? No. Okay. Gosh. I'm so lost. I think yours is hilarious. I'm like, is this going to be obvious when I see it?

[01:13:30] It's one of the more normal shapes. It's a wide body. Single approved. Did it come out in the last three years? No. Did pros ever use my paddle? Yeah. For sure. And they liked it? Yeah. Am I the bird wide body? No. Okay. It's not a Selkirk paddle? Not a Selkirk paddle. How are you? I feel like with the questions you've gotten, you should know exactly what this thing is. Okay.

[01:13:59] So all I've got so far, I feel like, is that it's USAP approved. It's probably only got two shapes. And it's a semi-relevant brand. How is it not obvious to you? That's crazy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, no. You already asked yours. Okay, fine. It's my turn. I'm so lost. Okay. Does it only come in one color? No. Oh, so it has multiple color options. Yeah. I'm pretty, yeah. Okay. Okay.

[01:14:26] Well, I was gonna say that I think it's a double black diamond, but pros didn't use that and I loved that paddle. So it's not a double black diamond, I don't think. Is it from Carbon? No. Dang it. Then what brand is this? Okay. I'm not a major brand. Came out longer than the last three years. Wide body only. Single approved. I'm assuming no pros ever used it.

[01:14:55] Did pros use this? I think pros did use it at one point. Okay, pros did use it. Okay, go ahead. Hold on. There we go. Ah, man. What could yours be? What is this paddle? I'm actually genuinely shocked. Like, I'm lost, so lost right now. And with the answers you've gotten, I feel like you should know exactly what this is. Pros used... Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is it Adidas? No. Dang it. But that was in multiple shows, so that doesn't help me. Pros used it.

[01:15:25] Why body only? Oh, Electra Model E. No. What? The E wasn't elongated, by the way. Or the... Yeah, it's not. It's not Electra. Frick. Because I was going to say the Pro 2. Is this brand relevant right now? Yeah. People would buy from this brand. Maybe not a lot of people, but people do. Would I recommend this brand? That's two questions, but... I feel like you'd be on the edge. On the edge? What the heck? Recommending it.

[01:15:55] Okay, okay. One more question. I'm so... Pros used it? Wide body only? Why can't I think... I'm going to feel so dumb when I look at this brand. I feel like I'm going to feel so dumb when I look at yours. I definitely think you're going to feel dumb. Oh, oh. Is it an AMP Pro? No. What? Okay, your last question. Oh, man. Man, last question to narrow this down.

[01:16:24] What is a good question that would help me? I think we're both failing. Yeah, I think we might unless I hit a Hail Mary on the actual guest. I'm shocked you don't know with everything I've given you. I don't feel like they're that helpful. I don't know. Maybe the people watching this are like... When you look at it, I think you're going to be like... How long ago was the last not podcast video I made about this brand? Not podcast? Not podcast.

[01:16:56] It's been a while, I think. It's been a long time. I don't know the exact, but it's been a while. Okay, well, that helps me narrow down my guess. I have... Okay, hold on. I think I've got something. You said it comes in multiple colors. Uh-huh. Wide body. Uh-huh. Oh, it has to... Was it the most selling paddle on the internet? I don't know. What's your guess? Like the most popular... Didn't you ask your last question? I did, but I just had another question that popped in my head.

[01:17:26] You're out of questions, my man. What's your guess? Is it a Z5? Yes. Yes. Yes. Man, I have one more question that would really help me narrow this down. I can't believe... Oh, wait, but you said I never liked it, so this kid... Pros use this? When did Pros... Tyler Loon used it, I'm pretty sure, when he was playing Pro. Oh, that's what threw me off. I was like, Pros use this thing? I know, I knew that was not going to help you. That was a bad question. Okay. I mean... For me.

[01:17:54] Like, when... Based on guesses, I'm like, okay, is it like a diadem? Let me zoom in, because I don't know if the audience can actually... Man. I'm looking... I should have asked if it was on the wall. I think I'm just going to have to say I failed. I don't think I have a guess. Let's see. Flip it. Engage. The original Pursuit MX. Mm.

[01:18:23] Yeah, I should have asked... Older than three years, it was relevant. I don't think you really liked it. The last Engage review was a long time ago. Yep. I should have asked... I should have asked him, like, spray-girt questions, or what gen. Yeah, true. Oh, man. Yeah, that would have been good. Dang. All right. Okay, let's do one more. One more, because that... Yeah, that was tough. One more, just... I feel like I've got... All right, I'm going to do this one. I think this one will be good. We had three planned, but I think we'll just do two. I think this will be a pretty good one.

[01:18:52] Okay, next up, I had a Gearbox Pro Power Elongated, and Isaac had the Bread and Butter Shogun. Okay. You might have to curve yours a little bit more the other way for yours. Okay. Go ahead. Did it come out in the last three years? Yes. Okay. Did mine. Yeah. Am I a power paddle? No. Okay. Is this paddle dual certified? No. So it's only USAP? Yeah.

[01:19:22] Okay. Does it come in all three shapes? No. Was this paddle ever controversial? Yes. Okay. Go ahead. That was a good question. Am I dual certified? No. No. Does this paddle only come in one shape? Yes. Is it a Mod TA-15? Oh, no. What? Dang it. I was like, dang, he's got it.

[01:19:52] I thought I had it. Is it a foam paddle? No. No. Was this paddle ever banned? Wait, was it? Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, I think. Is it a Gearbox Pro Power Elongated? Yes. Yeah. Boom, baby. That one I gave you an easy one. I don't know if I'd say easy. That's pretty easy. I just had a great question. The controversial one really narrowed that down. The controversial one was huge. I didn't think. Yeah. Okay, so maybe I don't suck at this game. Dang. Maybe I do.

[01:20:22] I don't know. You got yours in the last round. I didn't. Yeah. Okay. Is it a Gen 2? Yeah. What was it? It came out in the last three years? Mm-hmm. Pros use it? No. No. No pros use it? No. Okay. Gen 2. No pros use it? Even on APP? Yeah. Pretty sure. Gen 2. Zero pros use it. Is it a filth? No.

[01:20:53] Is it a wide body? No. What am I doing here? You got to ask better questions. Apparently. Was it known for core crushing? Like really bad? No. Did we do a review on it? Yep. Did I ever main this paddle? Yeah. Shogun. Yep. I knew. The second I was like, Gen 2, no pros used it.

[01:21:21] I'm like, this has got to be like a bread. And we did a review on it. That, yeah. Okay. You know what? Let's just do the third one. Okay. Why not? Okay. Let's just do it. That was quick. We both got that one fairly quick. So maybe there's hope. And then for the last one, Isaac had a Yola Mod TA15 and I had a Carbon 1X 16 millimeter. I'm going to try leading. Let's see what kind of different question. Did I ever main this? No. Did my paddle ever have durability issues? Yeah.

[01:21:52] Yeah. Did, would I ever recommend this paddle at any point in time? Yes. Okay. Am I a boomstick? No. I did the durability and then just was going straight for it. Am I, is it a very well-known paddle? Definitely. Okay. Is mine a Gen 3? Yeah. Okay. Am I a Gen 3? No.

[01:22:24] Am I, did I have a gradient edge guard? No. No. Am I, did I, am I a Gen 1 or 2? Yes. Durability issues. Gen 3, no gradient. Is it a Selkirk paddle? No. Okay. Is this, let me think here. Is this a big brand? Yeah. Is this an 11 624 paddle?

[01:22:54] No. Am I a Padletech Bantam? No. Dang it. That was going to be a really good guess. Dang. Gen 3 durability issues. Did I ask if pros use this paddle? I don't think so. Do pros use this paddle? Or have. They have, yeah. They have. Okay. Am I a Gen 1? Nope. I saw I'm a Gen 2. Okay. Is it a Franklin paddle? No.

[01:23:25] Who's using it? Do, is this brand relevant today? Definitely. Okay. That did not help me. Is it a major brand? Okay. Major brand. Okay. Am I a Selkirk paddle? No. Dang it. Not Franklin. Not Selkirk. I got to ask a better question. I need to think of a better question. Is it Yola? It's a Yola. Oh, okay.

[01:23:55] So what am I? I'm a Gen 2. I am a big brand. Yep. I feel like you should have this. There's so many Gen 2s. Lock in, gang. There's so many Gen 2s. There's a question I feel like you could ask that will narrow this thing down. Did this have a lot of core crushing issues? Oh, yeah. Okay. I might have a guess. Is it one of the alpha prototype paddles? No. Is it? You gotta get the exact paddle.

[01:24:24] Am I a Yola paddle? No. Oh, well that takes away my guesses. Shoot. Come on. I thought I had it. Your eyes lit up. I had a lot of core crushing issues. Okay. I have one other guess. Gen 3 core crushing. No gradient. So it can't be a Gen 3. Is it a mod? Is it a mod? I thought you were gonna get it so easy. Yeah. I thought you were gonna get that so easy. Yeah. Okay, man. Dude, am I a carbon paddle? Yep.

[01:24:55] Carbon 1X 16mm. Yep. Baby. See, you locked in. You locked in. I locked in. Look at that. We both got it on the same. Okay, okay. So maybe we just needed a warm up round to get good at this. Yeah, the first time doing it, we'd never done it. That was good. So wait, you got all three. I only got two. So I guess you won. Shoot. Shoot. Okay. Well, yeah, that went a little better than I thought that would. That was good. I like that. You'll have to think through it. There's just, I mean, it's almost too many out. Like looking at the wall, I'm like psyching myself out.

[01:25:23] You know what we almost should have done? It might have made it too hard. But if you asked a question in a previous round, you couldn't use it in another round. Oh my gosh. We kind of did that, except for- We were trying to use different- Like I thought you were for sure going to ask the controversial question. I was like, well, he's going to get it immediately once he knows that. Yeah, no, I guess I could have. But yeah, I tried. I wanted to use like different questions. Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, that was pretty good. I like that. Anyways, thanks for listening, guys.

[01:25:50] If you made it this far, you can comment down below mod TA15. Why not? That was a fun one. I'm sure- You know, actually, yeah, we'll go with mod TA. I was going to say Z5 would also be hilarious, but it doesn't really matter. So anyways, thanks for listening, guys. And we'll catch you next week after the nerdy tourney happens. Yep. So peace. Adios.