Selkirk Omni vs Best All-Court Paddles + 11SIX24 Ultre | EP 126

[00:00:00] Welcome back. It's the Pickleball Effect Podcast with Braydon and Aaron. Braydon, Aaron. Aaron, what are we doing? So you just told me you wanted to warm up, so I'm gonna let you warm up as you run us through episode 126 on the Pickleball Effect Podcast. Oh, you're just throwing me under the bus. I got you. Here's your warm up. Here goes. Alright, here's my best Aaron impression. In episode 126, we have a really good lineup today. We're gonna talk about Braydon's got Tungsten coming back. We've got special delivery. We have a few paddles in the mail. Under review, Braydon's talking about his new update

[00:00:29] to the comparison tool and some trending paddles. Aaron it out. We've got more lists. We've got, I don't know, what else? Aaron, Aaron it out. Aaron it out. We're doing a paddle drama. RPM is waging war against 6-0. So we're gonna talk about who is planting flags where and who wins. And then we're jumping into The Kitchen released a list. Their community voted on their top 11 favorite paddles under $200. So we're gonna go through the list, what they got right, what they got wrong. And then tossing it back to you for Paddle Babble and Gear. Paddle Babble and Gear is all

[00:00:59] about Suckerk Omni. We're gonna talk tech, specs, play impressions, and we got a ton of comparisons that we're gonna throw them side by side. We're gonna pick winners, make recommendations, and then we're gonna finish with some specs and some thoughts on the 11624 Ultra A. All right, well first off, Nerd Eternies this week. We're both flying out, getting prepped for that. Have you decided what paddle you're playing? Oh yeah, easy. I'm gonna play. How about you? Not even close, huh? Nah.

[00:01:29] I mean, are you worried that like people are gonna see you, but like, oh man, Eren, he just plays whatever the latest is. Oh, that's okay. That's the dub I'm getting? I'm playing it because it's Suckerk's best paddle ever released. Maybe. That's good. Yeah, yeah. I imagine there's a few people playing that one. I'm gonna pull out the, oh geez, SLK, Ere of Power, and play the white body. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, it's just like a step down from the Omni. I'm, that's what I'm feeling. I pulled it out

[00:01:57] the other day. I was like, I haven't hit these in a minute. It was jiving. It was working. That's what I'm gonna play. But it'll be fun to see what everyone's playing actually, because now we have bread and butter and Suckerk paddles. Both brands have excellent paddles. We're gonna, do you have any guesses on what the split will be? We're obviously gonna see a bunch of locos. I think it's gonna be like 70% locos, most likely. At least half locos. Uh, probably boomsticks. And then the rest will be eras and omnis would be my, would be my guess. But I think,

[00:02:25] I think most people are gonna play loco because of Doug and it's pretty similar to the boomstick. And you know what? Maybe loco, omni, boomstick era split. I could see that. Yeah, it'll definitely be, like if you're gonna play a power paddle, you're gonna get most likely gonna pick up the loco. If you want all cart, all court, you're probably gonna pick up the omni. So yeah, it'll be, it'll be those, but I'll be kind of fun to see. Uh, but yeah, lots of good options there. The biggest thing is, I haven't talked to Doug. I mean, are we using a Selkirk ball? Can we let the acquisition, like, hey,

[00:02:55] hey, we're happy about it. Doug, congrats. Selkirk, congrats. Can we use a lifetime, please? If time. Yes. I, yeah, they better. And then, uh, I don't know, uh, other stuff this week, a big, big announcement, exciting announcement, uh, with, with tungsten. So tungsten is coming back. The original tungsten rolls that I've been selling forever, the manufacturing had just been going through the roof. It was, it was about $30 a roll to manufacture at this point. And so we came up with

[00:03:23] tuning tape. Tuning tape is great and it's a good alternative. It's less expensive alternative, but it is just a little bit thicker and not quite as premium as tungsten. So I've been hunting, trying to find a new formulation with like tungsten mixed with other materials. See if we could bring the production costs down, but still keep that premium fill and look. Finally found a formulation that works at a price that works. So we placed our first order for this new stuff that's coming in. That'll be here about a month and a half, two months. We're gonna get that on the market. Uh, the prices will be under $30 right now. It's like 3540, which is just bizarre

[00:03:53] that it ever climbed up that high, but super, super pumped about that and excited to get that out to everyone. Um, we did get some new stuff this week though. So we got our special delivery. The, uh, we both got 11, 624 as you pull that one out. Oh, that's okay. Hold on. All tray. It's here. All tray. Is that how we say it? All tray? It's gotta be. How else? Ultra? Ultra with it. But then why not just put an A?

[00:04:22] Ultra? No, like it's gotta be ultra. I didn't look it up. Does it mean something? Well, I have no idea. Here, I'll show it off. You give it a Google. You got, you got a quick Google on there. Here's the lavender ultra here. We're just gonna move on. There it is. This is a special delivery. We do it quick. We're quick. Right, right, right. My bad. Boom. Next. Next. Yeah. Next. Yola's doing a big thing around Yola pops. They, they sent one of these to me, which is just a new colorway or the pro V5. They have like, they're doing like a massive marketing plan.

[00:04:49] Yeah, that looks sweet. Our marketing push. They're doing like a whole like van thing, traveling, doing like events around this paddle. There's like a whole fancy stand at the Flying Pickle that's selling these paddles. And anyways, they look sick. So that came in the mail. And the other one I got was 24-7. This is, they had messaged me and said, hey, got this paddle. It's 120 bucks,

[00:05:13] a 14 millimeter floating foam. And then they have a durable grit claim. And so I was, you know, I'm always on the hunt for that. We're on the hunt for that $100 durable grip. It's called the turbo though. The first one to kind of come out with that. Called the turbo? The turbo. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think turbo is the play. And it's a budget paddle too. They're calling it. Yeah. 120. So it'll be about a hundred bucks, about the same price as the other turbos from enhance. Anyways,

[00:05:40] that one's, uh, that one came in trying that one soon. That was it for special delivery. Let's go to under review. So under review, we're just going to talk about a big update I made to the paddle comparison tool. This is one of my favorite tools that I've developed over the last six months to a year. If you haven't checked it out, it's comparison.pickleballeffect.com. I'll also put a link in the description, but it's essentially a visualized comparison tool of the database.

[00:06:06] So you go in there, there's, um, three ways you can kind of browse or find paddles. There's just like, you know, a big catalog where you can just scroll through them by brand and year. There's a, another way called magic selector, where you select your current paddle and you're like, Oh, I want more offense, less offense. Uh, you know, you have, uh, some different things you can click and then I'll recommend four different paddles that are similar to your paddle with, uh, those upgrades or differences that you want. Then I have another tab called build your

[00:06:33] dream paddle where you basically select the firepower level you want and the swing desired swing weight. And then it kicks out four recommendations of paddles that match your criteria there. The really cool ways to help, uh, you know, find and look, discover paddles if you're on the hunt for one. But the, uh, the big thing that I added this week was to just in that big browse catalog, you know, section of it where you can see all the paddles in the database where you have filters and different ways to sort the paddles. But I added a new way to filter the data called,

[00:07:02] uh, trending. So you click on this trending button and you click, uh, top 10 from the last seven days, apply the filter, and then it pulls in the top 10 paddles that had been compared the most the last seven days. So every time somebody comes in here and compares a paddle to another one, cause you have to like select the paddles that you want to compare. It puts them in a nice little visualization. So you can see them all side by side every time that's clicked. I count it as like a view or a comparison count. And then, um, so these paddles are getting tracked every time it gets

[00:07:31] compared, uh, that number goes up. So you can see what paddles are being compared the most that week, that month or whatever timeframe you set it in. But then there's also filters you can apply to that. I want, like if you want to see what the top 10 are, the most, most compared paddles of any shape, uh, or paddle type, like power, all court or whatever. So you can drill down a little bit just to see what people are looking at the most. So right now, um, this has only been live for about four days. So the, uh, the numbers will, will climb more over time, but, uh, the number one paddle is a

[00:08:01] power to vapor. It's got 129 views. Number two is the J2 CR. Number three is the boomstick elongated four is the power to Hirachi X five is the coral. Then we have loco Perseus pro V J6 CR locally elongated pro form for no as the top 10. And, uh, anyways, really, really fun way to interact with the data and, um, really, really pumped about it. So go check that out. Comparison.pickballeffect.com link in description description. And if you just haven't used it

[00:08:31] outside of this trending thing, uh, this is just a really cool tool, really slick updates on the UI. It's really easy to use now. Lots of cool ways to go and discover new paddles. Uh, have you ever messed with it much, dude? You, I feel like you add tools all the time. So every time I go in there, there's new things I was in there like two days ago and I was going through how long you've had trending in cause I feel like I saw it even just a couple of days ago, just like four days, like three, four days ago. Yeah. Uh, so I messed with that one. I mean, I like all of these. I

[00:08:56] honestly, I go in here at the database the most to pull stats for videos. Sometimes when you're doing videos, if you don't say stats, I got to go fish them out. Uh, so I'm always going through for that. I'll use the comparison tool if we like, so we, we just, you just did a, um, J2 CR video compared it to a power two, um, Spartus P one. What else? Um, I put, I put the comparison tool again, I was pulling it to edit a video, but I was still using it. So I had all the stats

[00:09:24] and firepower right there. I do these charts too. And we're editing for like, um, you know, what paddle hits hardest with firepower. And so just going through the site, putting in comparison tools on even paddles that we're comparing in the video helps me pull stats. I'd liked a way all these like AI tools paddle reviewers are using show data so cleanly. So I'd love to, you know, watch those and figure out better ways to like animate stats within YouTube videos and make, make them visually look good. But, uh, yeah, I go in there all the time. I might

[00:09:51] be using it for work, uh, versus actual like nerding out and tuning, but, um, yeah, the tools are super helpful for me. Cool. I've been in there, but yeah, it's a, this is one, this one in the tuning lab or like the two I'm most proud of there. They're pretty cool and make things that pretty slick. So yeah, go check that out. This episode is sponsored by pickleball central reviews can point you in the right direction, but nothing else for places real court time. Pickleball central has a 30 day test drive program that comes with every new paddle purchase. If you buy it and don't like it, then return it. So

[00:10:20] go test out that paddle you've been thinking about and use the link in the description to apply the best available discount and support the show while you're at it. That's it for under review. Let's go to Aaron and out. All right, Aaron and out paddle drama. If you are active like us on Instagram, you might've seen a little bit of action from RPM this week. Marwan, who is James Ignatowich's business owner, James Ignatowich runs RPM ever since his exodus in the PPA tour when he chose to do some clinics instead of follow his contract.

[00:10:48] But it seems like it's turned out well with the success of RPM. I looked at today, RPM's got, I think 15,000 followers and I see them on a lot of courts. So regardless of, you know, decisions like RPM is a pretty big player in pickleball these days. So anyways, they're posting on a sub account called RPM clips, RPM PB clips. And it's a, it's a video of Marwan cutting open a black opal. Um, and he's like taking it and he's not wearing gloves again that you,

[00:11:15] I mean, how many paddles have you disassembled in like, don't, are you need some gloves? Like the carpet fiber splinters. Like the carpet fiber. Yeah. Like kind of like jumps off the paddle and we'll stick into you if you're not wearing gloves or like safety glasses. I'll play this video as like over as I'm talking right now, but it's Marwan getting a, I don't know what kind of one of these saws are cutting around the perimeter of the paddle, kind of where the EVA is and just completely, you know, ripping off the faces. I think a lot of paddle companies probably do

[00:11:40] this. Look at competitors paddles, open them up either at the factory. Yeah, but definitely not on like a sub Instagram. Like that's public. I think RPM wants to like poke the bear. They're like, they are, you know, down to be silly. James Ignatowich posted like a real, just like his life in like China at the factory. There was like one, you know, with like a bunch of opals on a desk. So like clearly they're either like just poking six zero, actually curious. The top comment on this video of Marwan cutting

[00:12:07] the paddle open is bro. Dale has to be salty. So then someone else was like, Hey, check the, check the discord, right? Check the people. Dale is the owner. Right. Dale, the owner of six zero, which I mean, rightfully so. I mean, another brand's cutting open his paddle on Instagram, kind of poking fun at it. So I open up discord. I go to the six zero, you know, sub tag and Dale has already posted for like a couple hours ago. And he says, we cut open an RPM paddle and here's

[00:12:34] what we found under the hood. And it's a picture of a Yola because, you know, long time RPM has been, uh, RPM has been, you know, connected to Yola, which James even openly states, you know, we wanted to iterate off the Yola pro four. Uh, so Dale count counter back with a picture of a Yola. I'm going to cut. And then he, uh, also put in a fun picture of clowns, which I thought was pretty funny. So the question for you, uh, thoughts on paddle companies taking shots at each other publicly

[00:13:02] par for the course. If you're taking a saw to a competitor's paddle or unprofessional all around, what do you think? Uh, you know, it, it's not my style for, for, for sure. It's, it's whatever. Like it seems like I, it's hard to tell if this is like malice or if this is like joking around with each other, you never really know, but regardless, the, the Dale joke was pretty funny. You got to

[00:13:28] give him props for that. It was good. It's like why, why they're cutting open an opal in for on their clips. Like beats me. I didn't understand why, why they would do that and share that. But anyways, there's a, they're doing it. We'll laugh at it and not participate in it. Keep it, keeping it. Paddle companies are keeping it fresh. And you know, if people are going to, you know, down to make drama, well, I'll keep reporting on it. All right. Jumping into the next part of Aaron

[00:13:56] and out reacting to the kitchen's best paddles under $200 list as voted by the kitchen community. So these, this isn't the kitchen's traditional top 10, top five lists. Um, you know, people have seen these people have often argued, you know, these lists, but this one comes from their community. Uh, I think they have like a massive Facebook community of like over 150,000 members. And so they had thousands of votes and hundreds of comments later. Uh, so they posted like a poll

[00:14:22] originally on, Hey, what's your favorite paddle? And on this poll, a bunch of recommendations were coming in for sub $200 paddles. So they kind of realized, Hey, maybe we should make an article. About what are the most popular paddles? So they made a new poll and said, what's your favorite paddle under 200? So let's get rid of some of these 200s, 220s, 280s, 330, 300s, 333s. Um, and so here's the list. So what we'll do is we'll go line by line, paddle by paddle. And we'll see on

[00:14:48] what we agree, what we disagree, what's too high, what's too low, what's missing entirely. And whether the list actually reflects what people are playing right now. Braden, you have to call out if a paddle is too high, say it's too high. You have to call out if a paddle is snubbed. And then you have to say if a paddle has no business being on this top 10, a list, evict that paddle is what I put. It's in our notes in our show notes. I put all 11. Okay. So I'll go through, we'll do, let's see.

[00:15:15] What do you want to start? You want to go 11 to one or one to 11? Let's go one to 11, 11 to one. Okay. One to 11. You always do, you always do 11 to one. I do, I do. And then that's the one time you switch. That's funny, that's funny. All right. We're all the clip. All right. Starting at number 11. Um, so these are, these are fan votes. So this isn't, this is the kitchen polling their audience and then, uh, putting a list together. 11 comes in at the Gherkin Draco. Number 10, the enhanced turbo series. I'll read the list and we'll kind of

[00:15:40] react. Number nine, Les Cannon slash Inferno. Uh, number eight is Vatic Pro. I'm not sure exactly what paddle that is. I guess that could be the whole lineup of the, all their paddles under whatever, 120 bucks. Seven, the C45 series. Six, the 11, 624 Power 2 series. Five, the 6-year-old Coral. Four, the Proton Project Peacock, which is their foam paddle. Three, the Bread and Butter

[00:16:03] Loco. Two, the Friday Aura Pro. And then number one slot, the J2 slash J6 series, which are shapes. So I'm assuming they mean, they mean the CR, maybe the NF, but like, what does that mean? Every Honolulu paddle ever. So a little muddy on that. So let's go through, let's start high, work your way low. Uh, what do you, what do you, what are you seeing that belongs is out of place or what's your overall reaction to this list? Yeah, the list is actually pretty solid. Yeah,

[00:16:30] I agree. Like these are, uh, there's a lot of really good paddles in here and this feels like a list that was made by people who know pickleball and are in the, are in the scene. Um, the Gherkin Draco, I think is a great paddle though. I was like to see it in the top 11. I was like, good for them. That's cool. Wouldn't have expected that one. Proton Peacock so high. So high. Agreed. That one's an, is it under, it's not under 200. Well, considering their paddles

[00:16:59] are on perma sale. Uh, I think the spring sale is, you know, well into summer and I'm pretty sure. So I think that's the, that's the, okay. So we're calling it a 200 paddle. Yeah. I don't have any, I think that's a good paddle. I really think it plays well, but I am a little bit surprised to see that one as high. Like I just, I don't, I don't see those. Yeah. Plus, plus you can't put a paddle on sale on the list. Sorry. It's the, the peacock has been evicted. I think I'll make the executive decision. Yeah. If we're going to pull one, that's probably the one we pull. Um, but no,

[00:17:27] like, I mean, obviously the vagueness of Vatic pro and J2, J6 is a little confusing, but you know, if we were to say Vsouls and then their, you know, NF and their new CR series, like this is, this is solid. Like maybe one that's missing is like, I don't like, I'm kind of surprised the Spartus isn't on there. Like the ones. Um, I don't know. What about you? What do you think? I think turbo is a little low. I think the enhanced turbo, you could probably put between like the

[00:17:51] eight to five slot. Uh, people want power paddles and you know, their budget power paddles and their foam. So I think that one could go high and plus EPP MPP. So, you know, maybe the EPP solves the durability concerns. Love that the Gerco Drake and the Gerco, we should call it the Gerco dude. That's what it's called. The Gerco love that that made the list. Uh, I think that's a sneaky one. I'd probably put the, you know, I mean, we're, I mean, we're huge of like the CR versus power to

[00:18:17] so hard not to put like, you know, Honolulu up top and the power to on the coattails or vice versa. Uh, I think the coral is like perfect in like a, you know, three or four or five spot. Um, Loco seems a little high for me at this point, but I mean, it's so well established that I think it definitely belongs to be on the list, but the aura pro at number two feels like that paddle's too new to be like that well disseminated within the market. So I think it belongs. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. But like, how is that above like something like the coral or the power to or some of these other

[00:18:47] ones that, you know, have a little bit more performance and have been out for months on months, right? Like it just takes time to get paddles in hands. If it's not like a big brand, like Selkirk or Yola, uh, yeah, Vatica, I have no idea what that means, but, uh, I agree. Probably the eight slot feels safe. Luz, maybe I would push a little higher. You know, if you're going to do, if you're going to push the turbo higher with it being a budget contender, I would probably also push the turbo or the, the Luz cannon at a gen three build. But yeah, I mean, solid list, like clearly a list of, um, like that we talk about there's often like these large lists

[00:19:15] where it's like, you'll get like Selkirk and Yola and Franklin, and it'll be like their whole series of paddles over a top 10, right? Not just one paddle from the company. Uh, but these are like paddles that we talk about on YouTube as like niche, you know, enthusiasts all the time. So I think whatever order you want to talk about, um, you go to a court and they, someone says they're a paddle nerd. They probably have one of these paddles. So, so, I mean, I like that they pulled the audience

[00:19:41] versus just like determining, uh, you know, the pay to win lists, the marketing lists, right? Uh, those are a little bit more fun to realist. But, uh, yeah, I don't know how that, I don't know how that peacock snuck in there at the four spot. But, uh, and you know what? The thing is, the more I play the peacock, you said this a while ago, I actually like it. Like it feels pretty good, especially the thinner you go. Um, so I like want to talk about the peacock more, but not at number four. Sorry. Come on. What are we doing here? So yeah, that's the kitchen's list. Um, just thought it was interesting to see. And, uh,

[00:20:10] yeah. Okay. Last thing here, I have a paddle fitting game. I was, I talked about this last week. So my, my, my dad is a three, five to four Oh player. I'll give him the benefit of a 0.5 scale, even though it's probably closer to the first number I listed. Uh, I gave him three paddles for his birthday, um, to, to develop and round out his game. So I put here, you, you have to fit a three, five to four Oh player with three paddles. And one of them has to be honeycomb before I reveal the

[00:20:39] three paddles I gave to him as a gift. What would your three paddles be and why? Okay. This is fun. I, so especially since you're in person, I would want to, and you can kind of go hit these with him and get some feedback from him, uh, live. Like I'd want to give him three paddles that are distinctly different. And so you can kind of find that range and feel that he likes. And so I would, I throw a jelly bean in there as just kind of like your, you know, your aggressive control.

[00:21:06] That'd be the honeycomb one. I throw a coral, I throw a coral in there. I think that's a nice, well-rounded, uh, you know, potentially easy to pick up and play for pretty much anybody. And then something a little more aggressive than the coral. Like I, I think the Omni is actually a pretty good option here. Like it's still kind of in that all court range, but it's more aggressive than the coral is. So you have these, these three, uh, three options that are in that kind of control to aggressive all court range. Uh, but I don't think you need to mess with,

[00:21:33] with power yet. I think either the coral or the Omni, if one of those land will, will have enough power for him as he's kind of developing and figuring out how he gets strokes. Uh, what did, what did, what did you end up doing? Great list. I love that list. I like that you did. I think I would have expected you to like put one, like top end power paddle just to round it out. But I like how if this, no, no, if this player is under four Oh cap them at an all court, like plus cap them at the top of all court. Like they can't even, they can't even like go towards power yet. I guess I should have asked for background is, is he, does he have like racket experience?

[00:22:02] Like he can swing the paddle? No racket experience. Um, he's a three, five banger, likes to drive everything as well as developing the soft game. Um, but just, you know, just an overall athlete that needs, you know, to work on an athlete still moves. Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't necessarily need help generating power. Definitely not. I stick with my list. I think I might change that some if maybe, uh, you know, if he didn't have like as much coordination as you or something, or if he like was, uh, sure needed a little help generating power.

[00:22:31] Sometimes there's players like that just need a little extra oomph, but yeah. Okay. That sounds good. Those three line up. What did you do? Okay. Number paddle. Number one, I gave him the pickleball apes charm, uh, V wide body as a nice soft foam in that all court range, paddle. Number two for the honeycomb. I gave him a Vatic saga. So an all court. Yeah. Going in the archives here, went to the archives, you know, nothing nice for pops. No, no,

[00:23:00] but, uh, just like a really solid, um, gen two, uh, all court. And then number three, I went full gas for him. I gave him the wide body MPP turbo. So I gave him MPP thonk. Um, and so he sent me a video. He sent me a video a couple of days later, him drilling in the garage. He was hitting the turbo. So I gave him a rundown. Um, I was like, I think you'll like the charm the most. I think that's the, got the best ball field contact. You'll have the most fun with the MPP

[00:23:28] turbo. I told him. And I was like, you might play your best ball with something like this or if you like, you know, cause I, the paddles I've given him in the past have all been honeycomb. So I went again, I gave him a honeycomb still with that, uh, with that saga. And plus it's got the cool like samurai on it, like still a good paddle. So, so yeah, so charm saga and, uh, MPP. So we'll see. Yeah. This makes me think of our conversation last week of like picking between an all court and a control when you're in that or all court and power, or when you're in that

[00:23:54] kind of four Oh less range. And if we had that, you know, kind of identified two lines, like are you trying to improve or are you just trying to have fun? Yeah. Full gas and you and full gas. And if you're that full gas, all fun, you know, you're, you're going to gravitate to the turbos. Does that describe him? Is that, is that the lane he's in or Yeah, I think so. I mean, I haven't played with him since. So next time I play with him, I'll have to see what he pulls out of his bag first. But, um, his favorite paddle that he was playing with before was the, uh, bread and butter filth. He's playing with the filth

[00:24:23] wide body. So, uh, yeah, it's a big change. So we'll see, but I think, I don't know. That's a fun one. Yeah. So that's what I did, but it's fun, fun to talk about. All right. Back to you with paddle babbling gear. Okay. We're going to start Omni. Uh, most of the today's conversation is all Omni. We're going to run through tech specs. We'll share our play impressions, and then we're gonna do a bunch of comparisons. And then I have some Omni setups. I'm going to share with you guys that I like, and I think work really well.

[00:24:51] Then we'll finish with the 11, six, 24 all tray. Cause we have just a comment about that. So starting with the, the tech. So the tech for the Omni holding here on the right boomstick on the left, it's, it's built off like the same foundation as the boomstick. If you look at an x-ray of the boomstick and the Omni, uh, everything is the same except for one, one internal change. So they both have the EVA, uh, floating foam polymer core, the little extra, um, reinforcement

[00:25:21] they put in the throat, but the, and then they have the EPP solid core in the center. But the difference is they have another cutout in the core of the, uh, Omni that gives you like another ring of EPP. So they kind of have two EPP rings or they have an EVA ring and EPP ring, and then this center solid EPP core. And that one, just that one simple, you know, cut all the way

[00:25:48] around the extra ring was enough to tone down the power, make it in this kind of all court style play and also kind of softens the, the feel a little bit. And, you know, thinking about this, you know, other paddles we've played that have some sort of alteration to the, the main core, you have like the shifts, you have the, uh, F3s from flick, the, um, the apes charms, all of these paddles that have done something kind of like that have all been softened a little more dense and a little less

[00:26:16] powered. And so this lines up with that. It's like, okay, this, this tech change gave them what they were trying to achieve with an all court, uh, paddle like this. And then the other big tech change, um, is the, the MOI clips here. So the, uh, the big feedback from the boomstick, right? It was, um, oh man, I wish those were adjustable. They're now adjustable. You pull them off, readjust, uh, you don't even have to use them. You can take them off, do something else, or you can move them along the face. So as if you are tuning and messing around with them,

[00:26:44] the, when you, uh, move the clip about the same length as the clip itself, it's about a three point swing weight change. So that's how you can kind of, uh, think about as you're, you're moving these around is the, the full length of the clip is about a three point swing weight change as you're, you're messing around with it there. And then we'll give you the, the starting specs, but, uh, the way they do it is this, this edge guard P or the, the MOI just fits perfectly. Like it's shaped to the edge guard of the, the Selkirk. And then it has like a little rubber

[00:27:15] sticky kind of film on it that is giving it the adhesion. So it's not sliding, moving around. Uh, one advice here is when you pull it off, don't like rub your finger on it. Like I am right now, because I put your finger, puts a little oil on the rubber and it makes it kind of, it makes it easier to slide down. If you don't touch that, that thing like stays in place. Um, I haven't had it move on me during play after doing that, but you can like physically push it down

[00:27:40] if you are putting some of your finger oils on there, but that's, and then, uh, I guess if you're looking at the range, at least for the, for the elongated, if you're keeping the MOI in that like kind of sweet spot zone, the swim weight range is going to be about 118 to 124 is what you're looking at there for the wide body. You're looking at about 111 to 116, depending on where you put it. And if you're keeping it in the kind of sweet, the sweet spot range, and we'll talk more

[00:28:08] about my recommended setups. And, um, I have, uh, at the end of this, cause I think it's, these are best with a little bit of weight removed and then you'll understand why once we- Quick interjection. They, they also put like a line indicator on the paddle of where the weight comes stock. So if you like take your weight off and you're like, ah, like I'm terrified to move my weight. What did I just do to my paddle? You can like very easily put it back in the suggested

[00:28:34] zone. Um, and so when we share stats of with weight on that's from the suggested zone, but then if you go higher, obviously you're going to, um, increase your, your swing weight. So do not fret. If you take the weight off, they had a smart little graphic to where you can easily get it back on the zone that it came with. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. It's really simple. It's really subtle. It's just like a little dot in a line that makes it a little crosshair. Every, yeah, the crosshair, every paddle, every paddle needs that. It is,

[00:29:02] don't you hate like when you're like putting tape on there and you're like looking at it and like get your fingers on there trying to see if it's lined up. I mean, enhance does that with theirs. They're like, they have like their suggested waiting zones on the edge guard. They're like add weight here, you know, so some pilots do it. The other people I've seen do it is like where you have options on the weight or on the edge guard itself or on the face, but this one is just so subtle and simple. It's not like this big aggressive put weight here. It's just something to

[00:29:29] compare and you know, something to reference as you're moving the weights around that, that isn't like big and in the way. So they, they did a good job with that. So let's look at specs. Okay. So for the elongated mine with the MOA MOI weight on and in that boomstick placement. So like a little bit higher on the face, the, uh, this is what I'm calling stock. This is just going to be the stock weight, um, that boomstick placement. So, uh, mine was 8.1 ounces,

[00:29:55] 122 swing weight with a twist weight of 6.87 years came in at eight ounces, had a 120 swing weight and then a 6.74 twist. And so a little bit heavier than the boomsticks. I think the boomstick range was a little like 118, 120. This one, at least ours came in 120 plus. And so when we get into my suggested weight recommendations, that's why these are just a little bit heavier than your, your typical setup. And I just think it's too much weight, uh, with those 7.5 grams,

[00:30:22] I liked it was a little bit less on there. The, um, though you can just move those, shit those down if you don't want to tinker and you can get that swing weight down to about, you know, one, 118 ish if you, if you bring it down, but it gets kind of, it's kind of awkward, uh, balance wise if you go too. Yeah. Like we wouldn't often suggest that you put 7.5 grams that low. I mean, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like the, that's like the, the cheek zone where it's like the twist weight optimizer. But even though, you know, you, you measure it and the stats look good, the balance is just weird

[00:30:52] to have that much weight so low. And so it's like, if you're going to do seven and a half, we'd probably say like, do it over a longer period versus seven and a half condensed because, uh, there's a previous video that we can like link right now, but it was just to quickly recap. We did like, what's the difference on 7.5 isolated within like an inch or two inches. And then 7.5 on like a lower density tape, like for seven or eight inches across the paddle. And what we, you know, what Braden found was it kind of makes a, when you isolate it,

[00:31:18] it makes like a beam band effect where you're getting like a super sweet spot, but the problem, and if you, and if you spread it out, you're, the paddle is going to feel a little bit more even and consistent, but you're making your, your super sweet spot down low. And so it's going to dramatically bring down the balance point and it's going to be lower than where you want your natural sweet spot. So it doesn't make sense to have 7.5 grams on either side, 15 grams that low at that point, probably just take them off.

[00:31:44] And start experimenting with lower gram setups or the same amount of weight spread out. Would you agree? Exactly. Yeah, no, a hundred percent that I'm glad you brought that up. And it's the same thing with the wide body, like weight idea where you're, you're shifting it, though. The numbers are different here. Oh, I guess I should, I was going to say without MOI just so you know what that is. So no MOI on there. Mine weighs 7.6 ounces, one 12 swing weight, twist weight 5.5. So that's

[00:32:12] like your base stats that you're, you're tinkering with. If you want to take off the MOIs and do your own, your own weight system for the wide body with the MOI, mine was 8.28 ounces, 116 swing weight, 7.82 twist. That's a high swing weight and twist weight for a wide body. And so again, I did like customizing this with just a little bit less weight. And I found some really good numbers

[00:32:36] there that I'll share a little bit later. No MOI on here with the wide body. Mine weighs 7.75 ounces, 107 swing weight, and then 6.29 twist. So that's the kind of base, no MOI stats there. Let's jump into the plain brushes here, dude. I'm going to let you go first. Give me your thoughts. I know you've been digging it. Omni, you're hitting it. What do you think? So when I first, you know, when I got in the mail, I immediately, you know, got up next to a boomstick

[00:33:04] and it was like doing the, the at home dink test, right? One of the, one of the most solid tests a paddle reviewer can do. And I was like, you know, I think people do reviews off that test. We definitely do. At least first impressions. No. I was like, this thing's a boomstick. Like I was expecting the Dauntless, like they're probably, you know, their latest release of a, like a full foam and that SLK line was super soft and like dense and like did not hit hard. And so I, I just didn't,

[00:33:33] I wasn't expecting a boomstick feel again. And so I, you know, I hit it right back and forth and I was like, this thing just feels like a boomstick. And it wasn't until I got to the court and realized it was like, it was toned down. It was a little bit softer. It wasn't as hollow and stiff as a boomstick. But if you're coming from a boomstick, I don't see anyone that has like, is plays, mains a boomstick that goes to the Omni and it's like, Ooh, I don't like the Omni. It's like very like they're, they are brothers. One is a little bit taller, but like they are

[00:34:03] absolute in the same family. Um, for me, like this was everything that the boomstick wasn't for me. Uh, boomstick was just always too much. It was too much gas. And this was like a toned down version. And I actually thought it softened up enough to where I enjoyed the feel. I generally don't gravitate towards like the top graph of stiff and hollow. I know a lot of power paddles are over there. Um, but this softened up enough to where I felt like I found my control really quick.

[00:34:28] It was definitely a little bit poppy. Um, it felt more pop than power. Um, but I mainly played it with the weights on where it was stock experimented, taking them up a little bit higher, moved them a little bit lower. And then when I took the weights off and played it, um, MOI-less, MOI-less, uh, the paddle really softened up and I, I felt like it was a lot less hollow. Um, so when you, when you have 15 grams of weight on this paddle, um, changes it big time.

[00:34:55] It changes it big time. Like it really upped the hollowness, like the boomsticky, you know, if you want to make that a verb. Uh, so I, then I started experimenting with, and I liked how much softer it was without the weight. It was like clearly for the longer it was unstable and it needed some weight to help it out. But I liked the direction and like the pat, I think the paddle felt like I, how I maybe expected it to feel when I took the weights off versus how close it was to the boomstick. Um, so then I experimented with like three gram tungsten

[00:35:23] pods. I, I, I did your new five gram strips. You have five, right? Trying to think. A four gram. Four gram. Uh, and that's where I landed. I did four grams on the side. I took them off for this episode so we could show stats, but four grams a little bit lower. Um, and I think stats were, you know, around that one 16 twist weight was a tad bit low. I think you could up it, but that's where I found it to where it still felt soft and like, wasn't like overly weighted to making it more hollow. Um, and it took the power down a little bit, but for me, it was no

[00:35:52] problem because I, you know, I really liked that all court upper all court range. Um, needless to say, I'm playing this in the bread and butter, bread and butter tournament. And I would also just say, like, I feel confident that I could go play a tournament and trust this paddle. It did a lot of things right for me. Uh, I don't think in Finagrit, I was, I was hoping in Finagrit was going to be like a new formulation. It was either going to be a little bit grittier, feels the same. And so I would say grab was about the same. It felt like your standard legal, you know, grit. Uh, so I think

[00:36:21] that was a little bit disappointing. I think I would love to see a world where Selkirk released a UPA version of in Finagrit because, you know, we we've seen like even just UPA versions of peel applies regardless of durable textures, just have more spin performance. So in the world where this is a $300 paddle with USAP grit and, and Finagrit is in like that tier three of like durable grits because I know too much, I want more, but as far as how the paddle plays, uh, I liked it a lot.

[00:36:50] And I just think there's, this is going to be a really good buy. If you're a Selkirk player, if you're a boomstick player, if you acknowledge that you bought one, it's maybe a little much for you. You want to stay in the family. Money is not an issue. Um, I think Selkirk objectively made a really good paddle. Last thing I'll say, um, I wish Selkirk would sell multiple MOI weight variants. If you're going to make it, if you're going to make it removable, I want a five gram. I want a

[00:37:16] three gram. It's like, you can make it a package. It's easier. Some people don't want like are scared of tape, waiting them up. They just want to clip it on where it is, but they know the seven and a half is too heavy for them, even in the lower position that the, that the paddle suggests. So I think I could play it with the MOIs if they made like a five gram version, but seven and a half was a little bit heavy and a little bit juiced up more than I wanted. As soon as I got that four gram, five gram and controlled the weight with tungsten and used your, that was where I found my best setup for

[00:37:46] the Omni. But, uh, yeah, Selkirk County, big winner for me. Sorry. That was long winded. No, that was good. I, it sounds like it checks all the boxes with a small, like little nitpicky suggestions. Like, Oh man, it'd be great if we had alternate weight options for the MOI. And then maybe the good amp up the grit just a little bit, but, um, no, I agree. Like it checks, it checks all the boxes you want in an all court. There's really no like weakness. I would say like in the paddle,

[00:38:12] like, yes, the, the, the price is steep at 300 and, but it does check all the boxes. You have a durable grit. It plays like you want a good all court to play. It's on kind of more of that aggressive side. And you know, like they had the lifetime warranty, you know, they have the good, let's say it checks all the boxes, right? So a little bit better feel. Like I, I think that more players will connect that it's a little bit softer so they can dial it in a little bit faster. Like visually it looks great. I think the graphics, they're like upping the graphics. It's got a nice stripes as Omni.

[00:38:40] And then I would also just last thing I'll say the sweet spot felt equal to boomstick. So like that elite oversized, massive sweet spot still there on the Omni, even though the power's lessened. Yeah. So just to add some, some of my thoughts to what you said, yes, I agree. It's a little bit toned down from the boomstick. I would put it, if you put other sucker paddles, like the, their era power series, their SLK era powers and their boomstick, it's, it's in between like the, I would say, describe the era power as like a true all court. And then I would describe, which,

[00:39:09] you know, a year ago or whatever, when that came out, I kind of said that was like a lower power, but now it's, you know, the goalposts keep shifting. And now that one's kind of like this, this pure all court. This one I would say is an aggressive all court with, because it's a, it's a little poppy. Like it has a, it still has a little oomph to it. Yeah. And that's kind of what makes it an aggressive all court is because it has like the access, easier access to some power on pop there. And then, um, and then the boomstick is just a step above it. If we're comparing it to the

[00:39:37] power level, to other all court paddles, I think the coral is the most familiar. It's, it's a little more aggressive than the coral, but like just a hair. If we're looking at like my fire powers, Z scores, the corals came in at a 63, these, the boom or the Omnis came in at 65. So it's just a hair above the, the corals offensively. And then, you know, the feel is reminiscent of the boomstick. It's still in the stiff hollow category, but it is noticeably a little bit softer, a little bit less

[00:40:06] hollow than the boomstick, which makes it interchangeable, uh, which is nice between the two. Like if you're playing with the boomstick, you're going to, this is going to feel familiar. It's not going to be like out of my field or anything. You're not going into like a whole new quadrant or category that they definitely feel like a family member, but the, um, that that's also significant for another reason because in the all court category, I can't think of another paddle that's in that stiff hollow range. Most of them are kind of more in that neutral, soft, dense, soft hollow. Like there's,

[00:40:33] I, uh, I think this is the only all court or at least really solid all court that's in that stiff hollow category. So if you like that crisp, lively, stiff hollow feel, but you just don't, but you want to bring the power down a little bit. Like, I think this, this is really where it makes its mark. It makes it really unique is because it's, um, I can't, I can't think of another. And if there is another, it probably doesn't beat this performance wise. And so you have this, um,

[00:40:58] kind of unique play there where it's, it's the stiff hollow all court paddle. I would maybe say that the P one might be the closest cause the P one's kind of on low power. It's got some hollowness to it. So I would maybe put the P one and also just, just to butt in. I think that, I think it hits a good little, like a little bit more than the coral. I feel like I can swing harder with the coral. This one, I got a tone down. So if you wouldn't have told me when you said Z score, it was 67 on power, 63. Yeah. They were just a couple of points different. I think I

[00:41:26] would have guessed like 75 to like middle seventies to upper on the, um, non-subjective power test. To me, it felt like it had more than that sixties, but that that's with the seven and a half MOI. I think as soon as you, you bump that down to the bottom of the paddle or you take it off, you're like easily in the sixties. But for me, for sixties with weighted, I don't think I would have guessed that. I think, I think people will assume it hits a little bit harder. Yeah. The, the firepower Z score can be a little bit misleading. Like tight numbers

[00:41:55] is a bigger difference than, uh, like it, like that, like the way you explained and like the, the separation between the two is absolutely 100, uh, is true. And the, this little separation of, you know, just a few points does represent that though. It doesn't seem like it does. Yeah. Yeah. In the grand scheme of paddles in the grand, right. Two or three or four or five points. That's a bigger separation. If we zoom in, right. If like we zoom into the sixties and now all the data

[00:42:21] is, is, is split between 60 and 80, like you can, then you can start to see the gaps. You kind of have to zoom in a little bit, but yeah, it does hit a little bit harder than the coral. Um, and with the feels a little different, sorry, I keep, I keep button cutting you off. No, that's good. That that's what, that's where we're at there. And like, it's let's, let's do comparisons now. Cause this is always fun to say, okay, that's our first impressions. That's how it plays. Let's put paddles against each other. And then, um, we have four of them.

[00:42:48] We're going to do the boomstick coral, the Yolo pro V and then the Honolulu HBC and F. These are all, uh, those last three are just really good. All courts. They're going to put these, um, against, and then I just, we're gonna do the boomstick. We've kind of already talked about this a bit with our first impressions, but pitting Omni versus boomstick. It's they're so similar in feel that they are interchangeable, which makes it nice. If, if you were playing a boomstick or try to boom, it goes too much on, but you like that

[00:43:14] little, you know, the boomsticky feel that has Omni is, is the best all court option. You're going to find that has a similar, um, kind of, uh, feel and profile to the boomstick. If you're playing a boomstick right now and you like it, like I, I gave the Omni to a couple boomstick fans in this area. Both of them were like, yeah, it feels familiar, but it's toned down. I still want my boomstick. And so if you're digging and liking the boomstick, even, even if it doesn't, you know, maybe fit you perfectly, but you're, you're liking it. Like it's, it's a big enough difference where you, you do have to change your game a little bit.

[00:43:43] Like you have to change your swing a little bit. And so it may not come naturally. These two people I gave it to, they're like, I, yeah, I gained a little bit of control with the Omni, but it wasn't enough for them to switch to the Omni or like for them to want to keep playing with it. And I was one, one of those guys is, is just an elite there are both of these guys are just both, uh, just like elite drives and like offense from the backcourt. And so they, they liked the boomstick for that. So that was the reason they, uh, weren't drawn to it. So, cause their game styles kind of fit

[00:44:12] towards the boomstick, but that was just an example for me. Um, I I'm for my personal play, I'm going to go Omni, I'm going to go Omni, uh, between these two. I think it's more versatile. I don't, I can swing out a little more, not quite as much pop, but still, it still feels aggressive enough where, uh, you know, it keeps you dangerous on counters, putaways. Like I, it's, it's pretty good. It's in a good, like it's this, it's, it's a modern all court, I guess you could say. Yeah. I love that term. Yeah. I, I picked the Omni over the boomstick.

[00:44:39] Um, any additional thoughts between those two? Nope. I think you're a hundred percent. Omni is the like softer, kinder little brother, little brother to the boomstick. Boomstick's got a little rougher edges and she's, she's a little meaner. All right. Let's do Coral Omni. What do you, uh, how would you compare these? Uh, yeah. Omni, I think you're, you're definitely skirting more towards a power, like a true power paddle versus Coral. I think you're still in the world of, uh, this is an all court. I think you're going to find your control a lot more with the Coral.

[00:45:07] I think even if disease scores are close, paddle fields are pretty different. Coral's got a lot more denser feel to it. Um, so I think most people are, will probably play better pickleball with the Coral. Now you have the Coral pro. So grit isn't a problem anymore. Uh, so I like the Coral pro more, but if you know, you want to play offensive, you still want to be in that, you know, like when we compared a J2 CR versus power two, I think it's the same comparison, but in the all court, like the, the Omni is going to give you a little bit more offensive

[00:45:36] boost. I think if you, you know, you want to attack more, you'll like the Omni more. Um, Coral is just a more well-rounded, like it's, it's, it's just got no weak spots, uh, versus the Omni, I think can get you in a little bit of trouble with the pop. But, um, if you're coming from power, I do think there's just enough pop on the Omni that makes it a little bit trickier to control versus the Coral. Yeah. So I would put like, for me, I would put the Omni as the very first paddle in the power category. Like it's on the very bottom floor

[00:46:04] and the Coral is, uh, but I think paddle feel is a different enough experience to where the Coral feels like a true all court and the Omni feels like the first power paddle. So for me, I go Coral here, but it's really just, what do you think you want with the paddle? And then you can go in that direction. Are you coming from the boomstick? Easy Omni. Are you just a Selkirk fan? Easy Omni. Do you know you just want a well-rounded game and you can get that Coral Pro with the Upt Grit? Uh, so I would probably go Coral Pro,

[00:46:30] but like, gosh, both great paddles. If you were allowed to play with the Coral at the Nerdy Tourney, would you pick it over the Omni? If you, if I could have time to adjust, I've been playing this for like two weeks. And so I feel really dialed with the Omni right now. But, uh, if, if one paddle had to go, I would, I would go Coral Pro. You would go Coral. Yeah. The, uh, you're right. Like there's, there's kind of two big factors between these as the Omni is just a little bit more offensive. And if that's what you want over something that's a little bit easier

[00:46:58] to control, that's in the all court, but still like, I wouldn't call this like a weak all court. Like this is still, you know, within the all court category, it's got a little, a little power and pop to it, but it is easier to control the Omni. And then, so that's like the one first difference, second difference is Phil, as you, as you noted. So if you have a preference there, that could be enough just to swing you one way or the other. And then of course, uh, if, if hybrid's an option. And I do think the Coral has the edge grit wise, uh, on both spin

[00:47:23] production and in, in durability, particularly with the pro the, uh, that's gonna, you know, win out there, but there are cases for both depending on, on what your preferences are. And let it also be said, even if Coral Pro wasn't an option, cause I know it's a little bit of an unfair fight to compare USAP grit versus a UPA. I would still pick Coral over, um, Omni in, in the comparison of the non-pro, I would just say by the pro in the world, spin, spin is more equal. Spin is more equal when you compare the USAP.

[00:47:51] So just to be like, well, you're comparing Aaron, of course the pro wins is a UPA. I would still pick the normal Coral. Okay. That's good. And yeah, like depending on who you're talking to, I think you're right that the Omni could be described as like the first power, the lowest power or the highest all core. Like it's just in that little gray zone between the two, depending on who you're talking to, what you've hit last. And that's kind of where, where it lives, which is not a bad place to be. Okay. So that's Coral. Let's pull out

[00:48:18] the Pro V Yola. I'm holding the Cosmos, but it could be any of the others. Pitting these two together. What's your, uh, what are your thoughts? Yeah. I haven't spent a ton of time with the five since really the launch event and a few weeks after. Um, so I don't think I have the clearest thoughts, but from where I left the pro five being okay and how much I'm enjoying the Omni now, I'm going to go Omni, but I'm not, not a real based take. Uh, I think if you're a gen,

[00:48:44] if you're, if you're a gen three, like a lover and you're like a foam denier, like I think pro five is easy, but for multiple reasons, I would just choose Omni over like you're getting, yes. Uh, vinegar, it's better. You're getting Selkirk's, you know, the, their warranty and their customer service. You're getting a foam core, you're getting an adjustable weight system. I think for me, the Omni is a clear winner over the pro pro five. Yeah. I, I, in most cases I'm going to recommend

[00:49:12] the Omni over the pro V, uh, you know, for the, the durability factor, the, the customization factor, which are all elements that are in favor of the Omni. The Omni also has just a little bit easier access to offense versus the, the pro, the pro five, the pro five is more of like a kind of what you get it put in what you get is what you get out. And so like for, for like an elite high level player, you could probably get more top end power out of the pro V versus the Omni and then get, uh,

[00:49:41] you know, a little bit better, even control experience from the, like the backcourt and the net than, than the Omni. It's a little more dynamic, but you have to be an elite player to access that power. Whereas the Omni, uh, you know, for the vast majority of players, you're going to find that little extra pop and power that we're talking about much easier with the Omni versus the, the, the pro five, but it's not over the top. Right. So like, you're still, um, you can still manage the Omni, but it is a little bit easier access there. So it kind of depends on your

[00:50:10] profiles there and what you're looking for. The, um, I do think the control on the, the pro five is, is better than, than the Omni just for the average player. Just, but it's, it's a little, little less offensive for the average player too, which is, it's, you know, it's just kind of moving that, that scale there. But yeah, for, for, for most people, I'm going to say, I'm going to say Selkirk, uh, with, with the exception of the one scenario of maybe you're like a super high level player and you want more of that kind of dynamic experience. Um, okay. That's those two. Let's do

[00:50:39] the last one. This is going to be the Honolulu J2 NF putting these two together. What do you think? I need to, I would love to put some time on these on the court. Um, got my first thought is the carbon fiber feels a little, like a little bit different than the titanium. And I, and I left the NF playing the NFT. And when I, when I've gone back to that recently, it, it's definitely more stiff, muted, dense, kind of in that Genesis territory, but a little bit more lively when you go to the carbon

[00:51:08] fiber NF. I think you start to climb to like the hollow, you're, you're still under, you're still in like the soft dense category, but you're climbing the ladder towards the middle, middle point with the NF. Uh, I think the NF probably has the bigger sweet spot. It's just, gosh, what would it, especially once tuned, I think once tuned like the sweet spot or like the swing weight to twist weight ratio is better on the NF versus sucker. I think I'll pull some of the coral arguments

[00:51:37] because the NF is a true all court as well. Uh, I would say you'll play most people will have a more rounded pickleball experience with the NF. The NF is a cheaper paddle. It's a more rounded paddle. There's really good shapes. It's established at this point. Durability is really good. You're going back to a, um, they don't have blue grit on the NF Honolulu. Please bring blue get to the NF. Like all court needs love to do. They have to. Um, so, so I would, I would go NF for most players, but I

[00:52:05] need to hit them side by side. I just haven't hit my NF in a good month and a half. So I don't have those nuance takes, but I think much like the coral, you could pull a lot of the arguments. Uh, the NF is probably the more rounded paddle for more players than the, than again, the, the Omni goes in the offensive direction, more boom, sticky, you know, uh, more big time versus the NF is probably like that Honda civic. That's just going to get you where you want to go like fast, safe at a good price.

[00:52:34] Right. Something like that. Any, any nuance I missed? Yeah. No, it's good. The, the Omni is more offensive. I would put the NF like, uh, just a hair below the coral, even like offensively. And it's a little bit stiffer fill than the coral though. Still kind of in that soft, dense plushish area versus the more stiff hollow area of the, of the Omni. So you had the difference of fill, then you had the different profiles as far as our difference of fill and then the different, uh, like power profiles, whereas this was bringing a little bit more versus this one. You know, we say, Oh man, the swing

[00:53:04] at twist rate ratio is probably a little better on the Honolulu, but it's still elite. Like, I don't think, I don't think sweet spot size or forgiveness is like a factor here. Like I want to say, Oh man, I'm going to go this one because the sweet spot there, like they're both, they're both excellent. Um, but this one does have the durable grit and, and so it has some things that might pull you there, but yeah, those are the main differences between these two. It just kind of depends on what you're looking for, what you need. Like, uh, obviously both, uh, very solid paddles. But yeah, that's, um, that's all of our comparisons. I think the Omni is, is definitely an elite all court paddle.

[00:53:33] Like it should live among those. It should be talked among all these other all courts because it's very good. Um, for, for all those reasons we mentioned. So that's a, that's it on the comparisons. I'm just going to share my, my setups. We'll finish with that. And then, um, then we'll jump over to the 11, six 24. Let's do it. So, uh, as we kind of been alluding to here, the, the MOI clips are just a little bit too heavy. I think for, for these builds, like seven and a

[00:53:58] half grams is just a little bit too much. So with the elongated, I took off the, the clips and then I put five gram, um, tuning clamps, which are the things we made with slice here and that, and I, and I kept them up higher. Cause I, I, I liked the, the concentrated weight being in that sweet spot zone. And the, the paddle is so light when you take those clips off that you can put weight in that sweet spot zone, right? Like that's why they have the weight there. But I,

[00:54:25] I just liked it a little bit, uh, better with this just primarily for the, the, um, the maneuverability gains. So weight why are like numbers wise, this brought it down to eight ounces, 118 swing weight, 6.34 twist. So you're losing a little bit of twist, but you get that maneuverability that the sweet spot still feels excellent. It's particularly up here where you're in the strike zone. Like you might get, might lose a little bit in the tips and kind of down here in the bottom than you do with the seven and a half grams, but it still feels very good within

[00:54:53] the strike zone where you're making contact most often. And then you do feel the, uh, the added maneuverability. The field doesn't change when I have the five gram clips, like you're still getting that same out of the box fill as you do with the seven and a half grams on there. Cause when you, uh, like you mentioned, when you take the seven and a half off or when you move them lower, it kind of changes the pitch and fill the paddle a little bit, uh, with the five grams on the elongated here, it didn't change that. It still felt like, uh, like it did the seven and a half, but then you get the lighter maneuverability. So that was

[00:55:22] the setup I liked there for the wide body. Uh, it sounds like you ended up landing on something really similar here. I, so I took the seven and a half off and put a four gram tuning strips on here in about the same location as, as the, uh, the MOIs. Nice. And so this put it at one point or 8.16 ounces, 112 swing weight, and then 7.1 twist, which is like, that's like star power. That's right where you want a wide body. Like it's like getting better than that.

[00:55:50] And that's what the four gram tuning strips. Um, did you change it any more than that? Or were you similar? Yeah. Similar. I think I just went with those four gram strips on the elongated. I put more time on the elongated than I did the wide body, uh, a little bit less. Uh, I think if you were going to do the five gram, um, tuning clamps at, uh, you know, a little bit high, like you did with that, with a stock MOIs come on the boomstick, I think at 6.3, that's like an

[00:56:16] average, like a pretty good, um, I think that the sweet spot feels bigger than like the twist weight suggests like 6.3, I would say sounds a little low for an elongated, but you're still getting that, that boomstick sweet spot feel. So I think I would probably tune that a little bit more and try to get up my twist weight to like 6.5, 6.6 if I could. So maybe just putting like three inches of half gram on the cheeks up down here. Yeah. That's actually a really good idea. So I'd want to stay under 120, but I want to climb that twist weight to like 6.5 if I can.

[00:56:45] So I think that's where my tinker brain would go. I'd just try to get the twist weight up a tiny bit more, but I'd also need to hit with it. If you felt like the stability felt fine at a 6.3, then who cares? That's just like number, like that's where like numbers. Yeah. And to my comment earlier, like where it felt good in the strike zone, but you do like lose a little bit on the tip and the bottom. And if you put, you know, three gram, like let's say you put a half gram, just like four or five inches down here, like that is going to strengthen. Like it's going to give you that more of that full face feel experience. You're going to keep that swing

[00:57:13] weight below 120. And yeah, that's a good idea. I would go try that. That's good. Uh, that's good suggestion. You add the weight and then it ends up being seven and a half grams and then you've taken off the MOIs, but it's redistributed, right? Like you have five at top and then you have the two and a half. That's actually probably what you'd put down and put on is about two and a half down there in the cheeks. And that would be really good. You could just get a saw and cut the MOI in half and then do one high, one low, like the Mizuno approach. That'd be cool. Yeah. And I guess last, last comment here with tuning, uh, if you didn't hear what we were

[00:57:41] talking about earlier with the concentrated clips like this, and you just, you don't want to mess with other stuff. You just want to stick with the clips. You want to keep these clips in the, in the strike zone, kind of up here in the top, you know, half or third of the, of the paddle face. Cause when you get seven and a half grams, this concentrate or this dense down here, lower on the cheeks, you're, you're, uh, you're bringing the balance point where it down so much, where like, it feels kind of unnatural and a strength, like you're strengthening the wrong part of the paddle

[00:58:09] where you don't need to. And when, if you do want to bring the weight that low, I would just pull it off and do, you know, seven and a half grams of, of one gram per inch tungsten or something and start the cheeks and move up. Um, but yeah, if you do want to stick with the clips and just kind of mess with the, and tinker with the swing weight, just keep it within that strike zone. Cause that's going to give you the best performance. It's not going to give you like an awkward balance or feel to it. And you're, um, when you, when you move the clips, if you move the clip down the length of

[00:58:38] the clip itself, it's about a three point swing weight change. So that's what you have to work with within that, uh, that strike zone. Yeah. That's our recommendations for, for the weight setups. Today's episode is brought to you by Pickleball central. Hit the link in the description to apply a site-wide discount on almost all of your pickleball gear. And if you ever run into an issue, their customer service is top tier real people, quick responses that actually help you out. Go through our link, save some money and support the show while you're at it. Let's go to the 11, six, 24.

[00:59:09] Or ultra is what we're calling it. I haven't really received many comms or communications from 11, six 24 on this, like all the information we have just kind of, we've been seeing, you know, floating around on the internets. Um, we, you know, I tried contacting David. Um, he's usually pretty quick, but wasn't able to get back to me in time for the pod. So I don't have any detailed information's on like release date, uh, as speculated kind of mid June, it'll probably be the exact same price, but this is just a new shape in their power to

[00:59:36] line up. This is not a new lease that we're aware of. They didn't change anything other than just the shape of the paddle. And so, uh, what they did is they made it like a little bit longer than your typical hybrid, but a little bit lower than any elongated. I would still call this a hybrid, but it's a, it's flat top. It's not curved hair longer. If you put it next to, um, you know, you're, you're like a cosmos or something. I think a lot of people have been trying to compare this to

[01:00:00] the cosmos little skinnier handles a little longer. It's just a hair longer. I don't know if you can see that there, but it's just a hair longer, but otherwise has that square shape. And the numbers on this look fantastic. So mine weighed 8.0, six ounces, 114 swing weight, and then 6.7, uh, on the twist weight. So under one 15, get a little extra each, I guess there. And then you, the, uh, the twist weight looks really solid. Um, I I've bounced it. Haven't been able to play

[01:00:29] games with it, but you were telling me like, you noted a little change with, uh, with this versus the other power twos. Tell us what you found there. Yeah. So of course, um, the number one test the reviewer does is the kitchen dink, right? It's you got your paddle in your kitchen, you throw your box to the side, you make your partner, you piss them off and then you start dinking and drives your dog nuts. And I did it. I might have to go grab my vapor here, but I noticed, um, that the ultra had a lower thonkier noise. So, um, just do a little grab the ball.

[01:01:01] Oh, he's not very good at this dink test. Yeah. Shut up. Shut up. Kick your ass in new attorney. Um, I'm going to, do you have a vapor? Okay. We'll be magic. And I'm back with the vapor and this is weighted. So this is about like four inches of half gram. And when you, when you weight your paddle, it always makes the pitch go lower. So the fact that the pitches are different and this is weighted suggests that without this vapor being weighted, the pitch difference would be even more dramatic. And again, these are both advertised as hybrids,

[01:01:28] even though this like maybe skews dynasty Franklin. So it's like a tiny bit elongated. These are 11, six, 24 power to hybrid versus 11, six, 24 power to hybrid. Let's do the dink test with a, so here's the vapor at the mic and here's the ultra. Can you hear it? Can you hear it?

[01:01:55] Yeah. I cannot hear it. All right. Well I will in post I'm sure we'll put it in post, but it's, it's noticeably lower. And my first reaction is it felt more hollow too. I didn't get like to put any court time either, but like this felt very clearly MPP, like those MPP calling cards of low, deep, thonky hollow. Right. Um, I wonder if David is giving us radio silence on purpose because when he released the power to, he didn't tell anyone it was MPP because he didn't want

[01:02:22] people to assume the way a paddle plays based on what's inside. Um, but when you're releasing a paddle under the same category of paddles is still a power to, um, you know, you would assume that the guts are the same, but high level, a little bit funkier, a little bit more MPP like, um, a little bit more hollow. Yeah. And mine were the same way. So you told me I went and hit it against the wall, you know, compared to against my other power twos and you were spot on. Like it does,

[01:02:50] it feels more MPP like when, when we found out the original power twos were MPP, we're like, Oh really? Like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have guessed it cause it didn't give me the same sensation as other MPPs to the same degree of that kind of thonky niss that little deeper, more hollow sound they get the, uh, but this one, this one feels more like that though. It's not quite on the level of like a turbo MPP or an inferno, it's like between the original power twos and uh, these are, so it's, it's not quite as aggressive, but definitely goes that direction. And like

[01:03:20] if you go hit this and you didn't know what the core was, you'd be like, Oh, this is probably an MPP. Like it has enough of that sensation to it. So anyways, we'll keep our ears to the ground on that one. We'll find out more excited to go get some, some core time with it. Cause I like the idea of the shape. Like why not? Let's throw, let's make a hybrid plus or whatever we want to call it. Yep. And, uh, it, uh, it does change the numbers a little bit, gives you a little different look at it, but just a touch higher swing weight and a little better twist. So, uh, there we have it. Thanks everyone for tuning in, Aaron. I always appreciate you, man. And we'll, uh, we'll see

[01:03:48] you guys next week. Boom. And bonus show notes after the episode is over. This will be after the thing. I think 11, six, 24 is feeling the pressure to be a normal, successful pickleball company. I think the vapor was really unique and interesting. And it was like a, like a hybrid shape that made people talk about it. It was like, Ooh, it's kind of ugly, but it plays really good. But now that 11, six, I think 24, I think is so mainstream, they feel the pressure to make elite shapes. And I think

[01:04:15] that's the Genesis. And I think their pros maybe said, Hey, we don't like a curve top elongated, like the Hirachi. And we don't like a frying pan V shape of the vapor. Can you please give us a normal shape? I think that's the Genesis of the ultra. So I think this came from pros and the success to be a normal shape company. Those are the extra show notes. We'll see you next week.